Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Greetings, All of us would do well to study the following Gita verses, and make a serious effort to put them into practice. Those who enjoy polemics are welcome to continue them in private correspondence, but not burden the list with repartees that do not fit the descriptions below. anudvegakaraM vaakya.n satyaM priyahita.n cha yat.h . svaadhyaayaabhyasana.n chaiva vaaN^mayaM tapa uchyate .. 17\-15.. manaH prasaadaH saumyatvaM maunamaatmavinigrahaH . bhaavasa.nshuddhirityetattapo maanasamuchyate .. 17\-16.. shraddhayaa parayaa tapta.n tapastattrividhaM naraiH . aphalaakaaN^kShibhiryuktaiH saattvikaM parichakShate .. 17\-17.. satkaaramaanapuujaartha.n tapo dambhena chaiva yat.h . kriyate tadiha prokta.n raajasa.n chalamadhruvam.h .. 17\-18.. muuDhagraaheNaatmano yatpiiDayaa kriyate tapaH . parasyotsaadanaartha.n vaa tattaamasamudaahR^itam.h .. 17\-19.. 15. That speech which causes no pain, which is true, agreeable and beneficial; as well as the practice of study of the scriptures,-is said to be austerity of speech. Yat, that; vakyam, speech; anudvegakaram, which causes no pain, which is not hurtful to creatures which is satyam, true; priya-hitam, agreeable and beneficial with regard to facts seen or unseen-. 'Speech' is qualified by characteristics such as being not hurtful, etc. The ca (and) is used for grouping together the qualifying characteristics. When a sentence is used in order to make another understand, if it happens to be avoid of one or two or three among the qualities-truthfulness, agreeability, beneficialness, and non- hurtfulness-, then it is not austerity of speech. As in the case of a truthful utterance there would occur a want of austerity of speech if it be lacking in one or two or three of the others, so also in the case of an agreeable utterance there would be no austerity of speech were it ot be without one or two or three of the others; and similarly, there would be no austerity of speech even in a beneficial utterance which is without one or two or three of the others. What, again, is that austerity (of speech)? That utterance which is true as also not hurtful, and is agreeable and beneficial, is the highest austerity of speech: As for example, the utterance, 'Be calm, my boy. Practise study and yoga. Thereby you will gain the highest.' Svadhyaya-abhyasanam, the practice of the study of scriptures, as is enjoined; ca eva, as well; ucyate, in said to be; tapah, austerity; vanmayam, of speech. 16. Tranquillity of mind, gentleness, reticence, withdrawal of the mind, purity of heart,-these are what is called mental austerity. Manah-prasadah, tranquillity of mind, making the mind free from anxiety; saumyatvam, gentleness-that which is called kindliness of spirit, [Kindliness towards all, and also not entertaining any evil thought towards anybody.] a certain condition of the mind resulting in calmness of the face, etc.; maunam, reticence-since even the control of speech follows from the control of mind, therefore the cause is implied by the effect; so maunam means control of the mind; [Or, maunam may mean thinking of the Self, the attitude of a meditator. The context being of 'mental austerity', reticence is explained as control of the mind with regard to speech.] atma- vinigrahah, withdrawal of the mind-withdrawal of the mind in a general way, from everything; maunam (control of the mind) is the mind's withdrawal with regard to speech alone; this is the distinction-; bhava-samsuddhih, purity of heart, absence of trickery while dealing with others; iti etat, these are; what is ucyate, called; manasam, mental; tapah, austerity. How the above-described bodily, verbal and mental austerities undertaken by poeple are divided into three classes-of sattva etc.-is being stated: 17. When that threefold austerity is undertaken with supreme faith by people who do not hanker after results and are self-controlled, they speak of it as born of sattva. When tat, that; trividham, threefold-based on three factors; tapah, austerity, which is being discussed; is taptam, undertaken, practised; paraya, with supreme, with the highest; sraddhaya, faith, belief in God and the other world; naraih, by people, by its performers; aphala-akanksibhih, who do not hanker after results,who are devoid of desire for results; and yuktaih, who are self- controlled;-that austerity which is of this kind, the noble people paricaksate, speak of it; as sattvikam, born of sattva. 18. That austerity which is undertaken for earning a name, being honoured and worshipped, and also ostentatiously,-that is spoken of as born of rajas, belonging to this world, uncertain and transitory. Yat, that; tapah, austerity; which is kriyate, undertaken; satkara- mana-pujartham, for earning a name, being honoured and worshipped-for earning a name, (i.e.) for being spoken of thus: 'This Brahmana, who is given to austerity, is pious'; for being honoured by (others') standing up respectfully, salutation, etc.; for being worshipped with washing of feet, adoration, feeding, etc.; for these-; ca eva, and also, (that) austerity which is performed dambhena, ostentatiously; tat, that; proktam, is spoken of; as rajasam, born of rajas; iha, belonging to this world; [i.e. yielding fruits only in this world.] calam, uncertain-its result being unpredictable; and adhruvam, transitory. 19. That austerity which is undertaken with a foolish intent, by causing pain to oneself, or for the destruction of others-that is said to be born of tamas. Yat, that; tapah, austerity; which is kriyate, under-taken; mudha- grahena, with a foolish intent, with a conviction arising out of non- discriminating; pidaya, causing pain; atmanah, to oneself (to one's body etc.); va, or; utsadanartham, for the destruction; parasya, of another; tat, that; is udahrtam, said to be; an austerity tamasam, born of tamas. (Sw. Gambhirananda's tr. of Shankara Gita Bhasya). Readers are always quick to question 'how to practise Vedanta'! When opportunities stare us in the face, we miss them by not recognizing them. May we all seek Peace for others as well as ourselves! Advaitin List Moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 I like the following for its succinctness: "If indeed you must be candid, be candid beautifully. " Bill - advaitins advaitin Sunday, May 09, 2004 12:27 PM A Special Note from Moderators Greetings, All of us would do well to study the following Gita verses, and make a serious effort to put them into practice. Those who enjoy polemics are welcome to continue them in private correspondence, but not burden the list with repartees that do not fit the descriptions below. anudvegakaraM vaakya.n satyaM priyahita.n cha yat.h . svaadhyaayaabhyasana.n chaiva vaaN^mayaM tapa uchyate .. 17\-15.. manaH prasaadaH saumyatvaM maunamaatmavinigrahaH . bhaavasa.nshuddhirityetattapo maanasamuchyate .. 17\-16.. shraddhayaa parayaa tapta.n tapastattrividhaM naraiH . aphalaakaaN^kShibhiryuktaiH saattvikaM parichakShate .. 17\-17.. satkaaramaanapuujaartha.n tapo dambhena chaiva yat.h . kriyate tadiha prokta.n raajasa.n chalamadhruvam.h .. 17\-18.. muuDhagraaheNaatmano yatpiiDayaa kriyate tapaH . parasyotsaadanaartha.n vaa tattaamasamudaahR^itam.h .. 17\-19.. 15. That speech which causes no pain, which is true, agreeable and beneficial; as well as the practice of study of the scriptures,-is said to be austerity of speech. Yat, that; vakyam, speech; anudvegakaram, which causes no pain, which is not hurtful to creatures which is satyam, true; priya-hitam, agreeable and beneficial with regard to facts seen or unseen-. 'Speech' is qualified by characteristics such as being not hurtful, etc. The ca (and) is used for grouping together the qualifying characteristics. When a sentence is used in order to make another understand, if it happens to be avoid of one or two or three among the qualities-truthfulness, agreeability, beneficialness, and non- hurtfulness-, then it is not austerity of speech. As in the case of a truthful utterance there would occur a want of austerity of speech if it be lacking in one or two or three of the others, so also in the case of an agreeable utterance there would be no austerity of speech were it ot be without one or two or three of the others; and similarly, there would be no austerity of speech even in a beneficial utterance which is without one or two or three of the others. What, again, is that austerity (of speech)? That utterance which is true as also not hurtful, and is agreeable and beneficial, is the highest austerity of speech: As for example, the utterance, 'Be calm, my boy. Practise study and yoga. Thereby you will gain the highest.' Svadhyaya-abhyasanam, the practice of the study of scriptures, as is enjoined; ca eva, as well; ucyate, in said to be; tapah, austerity; vanmayam, of speech. 16. Tranquillity of mind, gentleness, reticence, withdrawal of the mind, purity of heart,-these are what is called mental austerity. Manah-prasadah, tranquillity of mind, making the mind free from anxiety; saumyatvam, gentleness-that which is called kindliness of spirit, [Kindliness towards all, and also not entertaining any evil thought towards anybody.] a certain condition of the mind resulting in calmness of the face, etc.; maunam, reticence-since even the control of speech follows from the control of mind, therefore the cause is implied by the effect; so maunam means control of the mind; [Or, maunam may mean thinking of the Self, the attitude of a meditator. The context being of 'mental austerity', reticence is explained as control of the mind with regard to speech.] atma- vinigrahah, withdrawal of the mind-withdrawal of the mind in a general way, from everything; maunam (control of the mind) is the mind's withdrawal with regard to speech alone; this is the distinction-; bhava-samsuddhih, purity of heart, absence of trickery while dealing with others; iti etat, these are; what is ucyate, called; manasam, mental; tapah, austerity. How the above-described bodily, verbal and mental austerities undertaken by poeple are divided into three classes-of sattva etc.-is being stated: 17. When that threefold austerity is undertaken with supreme faith by people who do not hanker after results and are self-controlled, they speak of it as born of sattva. When tat, that; trividham, threefold-based on three factors; tapah, austerity, which is being discussed; is taptam, undertaken, practised; paraya, with supreme, with the highest; sraddhaya, faith, belief in God and the other world; naraih, by people, by its performers; aphala-akanksibhih, who do not hanker after results,who are devoid of desire for results; and yuktaih, who are self- controlled;-that austerity which is of this kind, the noble people paricaksate, speak of it; as sattvikam, born of sattva. 18. That austerity which is undertaken for earning a name, being honoured and worshipped, and also ostentatiously,-that is spoken of as born of rajas, belonging to this world, uncertain and transitory. Yat, that; tapah, austerity; which is kriyate, undertaken; satkara- mana-pujartham, for earning a name, being honoured and worshipped-for earning a name, (i.e.) for being spoken of thus: 'This Brahmana, who is given to austerity, is pious'; for being honoured by (others') standing up respectfully, salutation, etc.; for being worshipped with washing of feet, adoration, feeding, etc.; for these-; ca eva, and also, (that) austerity which is performed dambhena, ostentatiously; tat, that; proktam, is spoken of; as rajasam, born of rajas; iha, belonging to this world; [i.e. yielding fruits only in this world.] calam, uncertain-its result being unpredictable; and adhruvam, transitory. 19. That austerity which is undertaken with a foolish intent, by causing pain to oneself, or for the destruction of others-that is said to be born of tamas. Yat, that; tapah, austerity; which is kriyate, under-taken; mudha- grahena, with a foolish intent, with a conviction arising out of non- discriminating; pidaya, causing pain; atmanah, to oneself (to one's body etc.); va, or; utsadanartham, for the destruction; parasya, of another; tat, that; is udahrtam, said to be; an austerity tamasam, born of tamas. (Sw. Gambhirananda's tr. of Shankara Gita Bhasya). Readers are always quick to question 'how to practise Vedanta'! When opportunities stare us in the face, we miss them by not recognizing them. May we all seek Peace for others as well as ourselves! Advaitin List Moderators Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Sponsor -- advaitin/ b.. advaitin c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 advaitin, "Bill Rishel" <plexus@a...> wrote: > I like the following for its succinctness: > > "If indeed you must be candid, be candid beautifully. " > > Bill Namaste, Vidura Neeti from Mahabharata perhaps is even more so! http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/2952/gohitvip/23page3.html satyaM brUyAt priyaM brUyAt na brUyAt satyam-apriyaM / priyaM ca nAnRtaM brUyAt esha dharmas-sanAtanaH // Speak what is true, speak what is pleasant; speak not what is true but unpleasant; nor what is pleasant but not true ; this is the tradition of dharma. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 thank you sunderji! i always admire you for using the Gita verses for 'damage control' and turn the tide ... IN A FAVORABLE DIRECTION ... and the best part is you always know which verses to post when ... White House could use people like you in these troubled times. thank you advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh> wrote: > advaitin, "Bill Rishel" <plexus@a...> wrote: > > > I like the following for its succinctness: > > > > "If indeed you must be candid, be candid beautifully. " > > > > Bill > > > Namaste, > > Vidura Neeti from Mahabharata perhaps is even more so! > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/2952/gohitvip/23page3.html > > satyaM brUyAt priyaM brUyAt na brUyAt satyam-apriyaM / > priyaM ca nAnRtaM brUyAt esha dharmas-sanAtanaH // > > Speak what is true, speak what is pleasant; > speak not what is true but unpleasant; > nor what is pleasant but not true ; > this is the tradition of dharma. > > > Regards, > > Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 sunderji and others ! Four things do not come back: the Spoken Word, the Sped Arrow, the Past Life, and the Neglected Opportunity. --(Arabian proverb) so, in lieu of this , i am retreating into self-imposed silence but i will continue to enjoy the lively discussions here ... guys, sorry if i hurt anyone knowingly or unknowingly ... love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Take comfort Sri Adiji! Bhagavan Krishna has taught, "You are not the doer!" Love to all Harsha _____ adi_shakthi16 [adi_shakthi16] Monday, May 10, 2004 6:05 AM advaitin Re: A Special Note from Moderators sunderji and others ! Four things do not come back: the Spoken Word, the Sped Arrow, the Past Life, and the Neglected Opportunity. --(Arabian proverb) so, in lieu of this , i am retreating into self-imposed silence but i will continue to enjoy the lively discussions here ... guys, sorry if i hurt anyone knowingly or unknowingly ... love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Namaste, Some remedies Krishna suggests for the 'doership' dilemma! buddhiyukto jahaatiiha ubhe sukR^itadushhkR^ite . tasmaadyogaaya yujyasva yogaH karmasu kaushalam.h .. 2\-50.. tasmaatsarveshhu kaaleshhu maamanusmara yudhya cha .. 8\-7.. tasmaatsarveshhu kaaleshhu yogayukto bhavaarjuna .. 8\-27.. svakarmaNaa tamabhyarchya siddhi.n vindati maanavaH .. 18\-46.. Regards, Sunder advaitin, "Harsha" wrote: > Take comfort Sri Adiji! > Bhagavan Krishna has taught, "You are not the doer!" > adi_shakthi16 [adi_shakthi16] > Monday, May 10, 2004 6:05 AM > advaitin > Re: A Special Note from Moderators > > > sunderji and others ! > > Four things do not come back: the Spoken Word, the Sped Arrow, the > Past Life, and the Neglected Opportunity. > --(Arabian proverb) > > so, in lieu of this , i am retreating into self-imposed silence > > but i will continue to enjoy the lively discussions here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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