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The tenet of Advaita Vedanta is that this world

springs from ignorance (Agnana) of Brahmanand if this

ignorance is dispelled through knowledge of non-dual

Brahman, there is liberation. If this ignorance is

real, the Brahman cannot be non-dual, for there is the

existence of Ignorance besides Brahman. If the

non-dual nature of the Brahman is to be accepted, the

ignorance of it should be regarded as unreal.

Therefore we can qualify 'ignorance' which is

expressed through the word 'darkness' by the term

"unreal". It is not real agnana but anirvachaniya

agnana (agnana which cannot be determined as 'sat' or

'satasat' i.e., indeterminable) that is the material

cause of the illusory universe.

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"This world" arises simultaneously with ignorgance.

"This world" is not separate from ignorance.

The "arising" of ignorance is unreal, just as ignorance is

unreal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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b vaidya nathan

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:41 AM

advaita and nondualism

 

 

 

dear friends,

 

The tenet of Advaita Vedanta is that this world

springs from ignorance (Agnana) of Brahmanand if this

ignorance is dispelled through knowledge of non-dual

Brahman, there is liberation. If this ignorance is

real, the Brahman cannot be non-dual, for there is the

existence of Ignorance besides Brahman. If the

non-dual nature of the Brahman is to be accepted, the

ignorance of it should be regarded as unreal.

Therefore we can qualify 'ignorance' which is

expressed through the word 'darkness' by the term

"unreal". It is not real agnana but anirvachaniya

agnana (agnana which cannot be determined as 'sat' or

'satasat' i.e., indeterminable) that is the material

cause of the illusory universe.

 

Arjuna: If the luminous Self pervades the whole

universe, why does it remain hidden from my view?

 

Krishna: along with Sat (Existence), Chit

(Consciousness) and Ananda (Bliss) there are also Nama

(name) and Rupa (form) in a state of coalescence

giving rise to the world and so the Self is not seen.

It will be realized when the former three are known as

the characteristics of Brahman and the latter two as

those of illusion.

 

A: You said "Realise Self through Knowledge". Is then

Self, an object which can be known?

 

K: when the ignorance is dispelled by knowledge, the

Self spontaneously appears in the intellect.

 

A: What is the nature of the Bliss of realization?

 

K: Know it through direct experience, as in the case

of sense objects.

 

 

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Namaste Vaidyaji

>The tenet of Advaita Vedanta is that this world

>springs from ignorance (Agnana) of Brahman and if this

>ignorance is dispelled through knowledge of non-dual

>Brahman, there is liberation. If this ignorance is

>real, the Brahman cannot be non-dual, for there is the

>existence of Ignorance besides Brahman. If the

>non-dual nature of the Brahman is to be accepted, the

>ignorance of it should be regarded as unreal.

>Therefore we can qualify 'ignorance' which is

>expressed through the word 'darkness' by the term

>'unreal'.

 

Darkness is the absence of light.

Is darkness real?

Is the *absence* of something real a reality in itself?

When we say that the pot contains 'no water',

is that 'no water' something real?

Same with ignorance...

 

Notice that some later Advaitins made the mistake of thinking that

ignorance is a real creative power not too different from Jehovah! :-)

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

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