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greetings! my shining 'knight' in armor ! You have explained the

inexplicable beautifully with the help of Master Poet Rumi!

 

What a delight to read some Beautiful Rumi verses right after Brahma-

muhurta meditation !

 

As you might have known by now , i love 'dancing' and i love 'poetry'

and who can 'whirl' or dance better than a Derwish and who can sing

more souful songs than a man holding the Reed flute ?

 

I find it tather intriguing that in the same post , you should quote

a well known Sufi poet and the great exponent of adwaita , shri

shankara Bhagvadapada . What does that prove ? the path of Non-

duality is not the property of hindus or moslems or christians or

jews - it is a universal path!

 

Here is what Rumi says on INDIA (HINDUSTAN)

 

The thirteenth century persian Sufi poet Jallaludin Rumi, in his

poetry has mentioned how people from Persia used to go to India in

search of spiritual knowlegde in the abode of mystic teachers:

 

 

"Men have left their own country, their fathers and mothers, their

 

households and kinsmen and families, and have journeyed from Hind

 

to Sindh, making boots of iron till they wore out to shreds, haply

 

to encounter a Man having the fragrance of the other world. How

 

many men have died of this sorrow, not succeeding in encountering

 

such a One!"

 

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Rumi on AdvaitA

 

 

 

"I have put duality away, I have seen that the two worlds are one;

 

One I seek, One I know, One I see, One I call.

 

I am intoxicated with Love's cup, the two worlds have passed out of

my ken;

 

I have no business save carouse and revelry."

 

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Rumi on Different Philosophies

 

 

And watch two men washing clothes.

 

One makes dry clothes wet. The other makes

 

wet clothes dry. They seem to be thwarting each other,

 

but their work is a perfect harmony.

 

 

Every holy person seems to have a different doctrine

 

and practice, but there's really only one work.

 

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and then allow me please, !!!!!

 

"Chinese Art and Greek Art"

 

The Prophet said, "There are some who see Me

by the same Light in which I am seeing them.

Our natures are ONE.

Without reference to any strands

of lineage, without reference to texts or traditions,

we drink the Life-Water together."

Here's a story

about that hidden mystery:

The Chinese and the Greeks

were arguing as to who were the better artists.

The King said,

"We'll settle this matter with a debate."

The Chinese began talking,

but the Greeks wouldn't say anything.

They left.

The Chinese suggested then

that they each be given a room to work on

with their artistry, two rooms facing each other

and divided by a curtain.

The Chinese asked the King

for a hundred colors, all the variations,

and each morning they came to where

the dyes were kept and took them all.

The Greeks took no colors.

"They're not part of our work,"

They went to their room

and began cleaning and polishing the walls. All day

every day they made those walls as pure and clear

as an open sky.

There is a way that leads from all-colors

to colorlessness. Know that the magnificent variety

of the clouds and the weather comes from

the total simplicity of the sun and the moon.

 

The Chinese finished, and they were so happy.

They beat the drums in the joy of completion.

 

The King entered their room,

astonished by the gorgeous color and detail.

 

The Greeks then pulled the curtain dividing the rooms.

The Chinese figures and images shimmeringly reflected

on the clear Greek walls. They lived there,

even more beautifully, and always

changing in the light.

 

The Greek art is the Sufi way.

They don't study books of philosophical thought.

 

They make their loving clearer and clearer.

No wantings, no anger. In that purity

they receive and reflect the images of every moment,

from here, from the stars, from the void.

 

They take them in

as though they were seeing

with the Lighted Clarity

that sees them.

 

Mathnawi, I, 3462-3485, 3499

Coleman Barks

Delicious Laughter

Maypop, June 1990

(Based on Nicholson's translation of the Mathnawi, IV, 2683-2696.)

 

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a few more ...

 

This speech and voice arose from thoughts, (but) you

don't know where the ocean of thought is.

 

Yet since you've seen (that) the waves of speech are

elegant, you know that the ocean of those (waves) is also

noble.

 

(Thus) the forms were born from (Divine) Speech and

once more died; the waves were brought back into the ocean.

 

The forms emerged from formlessness (and then) returned,

for "Truly, we belong to Him and to Him we will return."

 

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ENJOY and have a wonderful 'rumi' day - intoxicated with the Love of

God !

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--- adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote:

> greetings! my shining 'knight' in armor ! You have

> explained the

> inexplicable beautifully with the help of Master

> Poet Rumi!

.....

> The thirteenth century persian Sufi poet Jallaludin

> Rumi, in his

> poetry has mentioned how people from Persia used to

> go to India in

> search of spiritual knowlegde in the abode of mystic

> teachers:

 

Greetings indeed O fellow Rumi devotee,

You clearly have a good supply of Rumi and he is well

served on the Web. However may I also recommend two

books by Willaim Chittick: 'The Sufi Path of Love' and

'The Sufi Path of Knowledge.' He collates passages

from Rumi into carefully developed sections.

 

Re. Persian Sufis and travels to India. It is an

often told story in Sufism of the person who travels

far from home to find 'The Truth', visiting many

teachers but returning to find the person they needed

to visit lived in their own village. This is

encapsulated in this story of Mullah Nasruddin:

'A passer-by found Nasruddin scrabbling on the

pavement outside his house, under a street lamp.

'What are you looking for Nasruddin?'

'My key.'

So the kind man got down on his hands and knees to

join the search.

After some minutes he said,

'Where did you drop your key Nasruddin?'

'In my house,' was the reply.

'Then why are we searching out here on the pavement

(sidewalk)?'

'There is more light out here,' replied Nasruddin.

 

Having said that, there is an interesting link between

Rumi and India. Rumi's spiritual teacher, after the

death of his father and an appointed tutor, was the

strange character, Shams-i Tabrizi. There is an

opinion...see p.34 of Sufism and Vedanta by Dr Rasih

Guven who is a Turkish professor who gained his PhD at

Banaras Hindu University.....that Shams came from

India. Also, his father's name was Khavind which is a

Persianised form of Govinda. His father was a cloth

trader so this supposition is feasible and in Shams'

teaching we can discern the pulse of Indian bhakti

cults.

Earlier than all this, in 753-774, the reign of Khalif

Al Mansur, Indian scholars came to Baghdad and with

the help of an Arabic scholar Ibrahim Farazi, a

translation of Brahma Siddhanta was made into Arabic

and it was called Sind Hind. So there was plenty of

chance from cross-cultural flow.

> I find it rather intriguing that in the same post ,

> you should quote

> a well known Sufi poet and the great exponent of

> adwaita , shri

> shankara Bhagvadapada . What does that prove ? the

> path of Non-

> duality is not the property of hindus or moslems or

> christians or

> jews - it is a universal path!

 

 

I would rather not chase this one today as it has been

covered many times in the past on this site.

I can only comment from my personal perspective

(vAsanas) and that is that I need to be nourished by a

balanced diet of Shankara and Rumi, for example.

At the moment I am desperate for a good meal of

Vedanta as I have spent the last few weeks trying to

bring a mediating voice into the increasing tumult

stirred up by Christian and Islamic exclusivists.

Trying to point them to the universalist core of their

own tradition is difficult enough without introducing

Vedanta. Last Sunday evening I felt thoroughly

sickened by the continual bickering of

religionists...my 'shining armour was splattered with

mud......and needed just to listen to some veena

recordings.

 

Back to the mAyA theme.

Rumi writes:

'Every moment the world is renewed and we are unaware

of its being renewed whilst it remains the same in

appearance.

Life is ever striving anew, like the stream, though in

the body it has the semblance of continuity.

>From its swiftness it appears continous, like the

spark which thou whirlest rapidly with thy hand.

If thou whirl a firebrand with dexterity, it appears

to the sight as a very long line of fire.

The swift motion produced by the action of God

presents this length of duration (Time) as a

phenomenon arising from the rapidity of Divine action'

Mathnavi IV. 1144-1149

 

'What room hath non-existence for 'up' and 'down'?

Non-existence hath no 'soon' or 'far' or 'late'.

This laboratory and treasure of God is in

non-existence. Thou art deluded by existence: how

shouldst thou know what non-existence is?'

Mathnavi III 4515-6

 

Remember that this is a translation from the Persian

by an Englishman. Whether Rumi went beyond

non-existence and existence....as in the Nasadiya hymn

of the Rgveda...cannot be discerned from the

translation. However, I am sure that he did.

 

Dog walking time again,

 

Happy whirling

 

ken Knight

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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