Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 --- Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: >I am > not that interested in going into this subject so > deeply. Good Morning Dennis, Yes you are. The Vedas are not books. They are what is in front of you and all around you and flowing through you. You cannot help but be interested. And mAyA ? Well we haven't got to that one yet. Sorry about all the words though but I could not think of any other way to do this usefully for people. > Are there any specific > chants that you would recommend (actual URL pointing > to ones that can be > heard on-line)? I think each person will find that which vibrates most harmoniously for themselves so may I ask you to search through the sites listed. Bit of a task but these things have a way of revealing themselves. Did you ever learn any SES version of Sanskrit? If so, have a look at the www.flaez.ch site and use the transliteration there for a hymn that appeals to you. This suggestion then raises the problem of purity. We really need to sit at the feet of a master when we are three years old when we can still listen..... About five years ago I spent three days with some sama veda chanters from Kerala who tried to teach a group in the traditional way....all of us were hopeless; too old. However, I do feel that if we approach the hymns with sincerity, with respectful acknowledgement of the devaH to whom it is dedicated and the Rishi who spoke it, through the awakening of dhI, then we may hear something powerful emerging from our own mouths. We may also be turned into frogs if we get it totally wrong but there you go. We might be better at being frogs than we are at being humans. We might even be frogs in a pond in the forest hermitage where we can hear the Vedas chanted correctly all day.........apologies to those on this site who know that I have adapted the story of the hermit who fell in love with a deer whose mother had been killed.. > > I would just like to query your comment on the St. > John gospel. ..... How, then, can you > take an English > translation of this (same) and attempt to suggest > that it was based on a > Sanskrit word (or any other language other than the > presumably Greek in > which it was written)? Pretty easy that one although the Greek is possibly more interesting than the English. Firstly 'same'. Skeat's etymological dictionary will refer you to the Sanskrit 'sama' as well as many other sources all related to a meaning of 'together' 'even' 'identical' 'of the like kind'. As you know, because of the Roman influences, 'c' in English can be sounded softly 's' or with the hard 'K' sound as in communication. So if you look at words like 'symmetry' 'sympathy' you will find the 'same' being developed in the prefix. The Greek 'outos' is what is being translated as 'same'. This is not quite accurate in our modern meaning but it may have had a different emphasis in King Jams' time. The most usual meaning of 'outos' is 'this' as the demonstrative pronoun. It also has the meaning 'for this reason' which would link it with one of core meanings of Logos which is translated as 'Word'. I once set a Greek scholar friend to the task of studying 'outos' for me and she was enthralled with the subtleties of meaning she found there. If you can get hold of a Greek Lexicon of the New Testament may I recommend that you have a look. Finally, on this little sidetrack, the April discussion on purna had much to say on Skt. 'Idam'. In the way John presents the prologue to the Gospel I think that he may well have had such a concept in mind. So, too many words again. But I blame you for for setting me off down this road. However, I do agree with you, as we have said before, that the imagery of one religious tradition should not be imposed upon another in some populist fashion; that does not mean that we should not peer behind the veils though. Thanks for joining in, Ken Knight ===== ‘From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.’ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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