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Namaste.

 

I was doing some googling with respect to the word

'Matarishva' (occurring in Ken-ji's Rg Veda posts. Since I

know that Aurobindo had something to say on this I looked

for "Matarishva, Aurobindo". I was taken to the original

French translation of Ishopanishad by Aurobindo. And there

I found the 'translation' of the Purnamadah mantra by

Aurobindo. I quote:

 

Aum. Cela (Brahman inconditionné) est infini, ceci (Brahman

conditionné) est infini. De l'infini (inconditionné) est

apparu l'infini (conditionné). En prenant l'infini de

l'infini (conditionné), il demeure comme le seul infini

(inconditionné). (L'Infini inconditionné) demeure le même,

même si l'infini (conditionné) est apparu à partir de lui.

Unquote.

 

My English translation:

Aum. That unconditioned brahman is infinite, this

conditioned brahman is infinite. The unconditioned infinity

appears (as)the conditioned infinity. By taking infinity

from the conditioned infinity, there remains only the

unconditioned infinity. The unconditioned infinity remains

the same, but the conditioned infinity appears to remain

the same.

 

Nair-ji's attention is invited. Mark how Aurobindo uses

the words 'conditioned' to make the meaning clear. Please

let me know whether I have messed up anything in my

translation into English of Aurobindo's French.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

 

 

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Namaste Prof. Krishnamurthyji.

 

I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra Saraswathi

today in my previous post. What more can I add? To me, using a

term like 'conditioned infinite' is like calling the universe non-

Brahman - a term Swamiji seems to laugh at. Brahman doesn't brook

any non in the manner vegetarian has a non. Infinity is always

unconditioned like I explained in my initial post. Adjectives are

therefore very dangerous in the terrain that we are discussing as

they lead to erroneous conclusions.

 

With my humble praNams and respects to brilliant Aurobindo and all

advaitins here.

 

Madathil Nair

 

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advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk>

wrote:

> Namaste.

>

> I was doing some googling with respect to the word

> 'Matarishva' (occurring in Ken-ji's Rg Veda posts. Since I

> know that Aurobindo had something to say on this I looked

> for "Matarishva, Aurobindo". I was taken to the original

> French translation of Ishopanishad by Aurobindo. And there

> I found the 'translation' of the Purnamadah mantra by

> Aurobindo. I quote:

>

> Aum. Cela (Brahman inconditionné) est infini, ceci (Brahman

> conditionné) est infini. De l'infini (inconditionné) est

> apparu l'infini (conditionné). En prenant l'infini de

> l'infini (conditionné), il demeure comme le seul infini

> (inconditionné). (L'Infini inconditionné) demeure le même,

> même si l'infini (conditionné) est apparu à partir de lui.

> Unquote.

>

> My English translation:

> Aum. That unconditioned brahman is infinite, this

> conditioned brahman is infinite. The unconditioned infinity

> appears (as)the conditioned infinity. By taking infinity

> from the conditioned infinity, there remains only the

> unconditioned infinity. The unconditioned infinity remains

> the same, but the conditioned infinity appears to remain

> the same.

>

> Nair-ji's attention is invited. Mark how Aurobindo uses

> the words 'conditioned' to make the meaning clear. Please

> let me know whether I have messed up anything in my

> translation into English of Aurobindo's French.

>

> PraNAms to all advaitins

> profvk

>

>

> =====

> Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

> My website on Science and Spirituality is

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/

> You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought

Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's

manuscripts from the site.

> Also see my webpages on Live Happily, the Gita Way at

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/contentsbeach11.html

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--- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair

wrote:

> I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra

> Saraswathi

> today in my previous post.

and

> Infinity

> is always

> unconditioned like I explained in my initial post.

 

 

Thank you for these posts. I will be using the most

recent in next weeks postings, if I may, as they

present a valuable link.

 

Thank you for you guidance on the April topic,

 

Ken Knight

 

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Namaste Kenji.

 

You are welcome to quote. Afterall, they are Swamiji's thoughts and

words. Moreover, all words and thoughts belong to our Madam

Saraswatiji - the ever benevolent lady whose domain, as her children,

we all can tresspass and tread without fear.

 

I am reading every word of yours in the current discussion on Rig

Veda. You are doing a commendable job - that too with just two

years' familiarity with the topic! Yet, I have restrained myself

from entering the fray for the following reasons:

 

I have not studied the Vedas. I would like to do that with a

traditionlist whose frequency I can share without difficulty. In my

current circumstances, that is an impossible dream. I have found

most of the English interpretations rather tedious notwithstanding

the abundant references you have recommended as preparatory to

following your exposition.

 

At the moment, I am immersed neckdeep in mundane shopping with my

most mundane family - all set to go on a 45 day vacation beginning

23rd June. Time for Vedic contemplation is, therefore, too precious

a commodity to come by in all the running about that I am now doing.

 

Yet, I keep chanting 'prAtar vadAmi lalitE tava punya namah

kAmeshwarIti kamalEti mahEshwarIti shrIshAmbhavIti jagatAmjananI

parEti vAgdEvatEti vacasA tripurEshwarIti'. That is from none other

than our Sankara. Contemplation on these names elucidate the entire

gamut of vEdAnta. May the vAgdEvatA be always with you bounteously

blessing your efforts!

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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P.S.: In the beginning of the month when your initial posts

appeared, I had drafted the following response of a general nature.

However, I didn't post it for fear of generating controversy. Your

kind words have now emboldened me and here it goes with me in

trepidation. Kindly answer if my worries are of any worth.

 

QUOTE

 

Namaste Kenji.

 

Your posts are examples of excellent thinking and, therefore, very

thought-provoking.

 

Granted that the truth lies in or is the `sound' that reveals, some

disturbing questions emerge:

 

Hasn't mankind perpetrated a big mistake by writing down what is only

to be `heard'?

Haven't those who take to the written form, like many of us here

currently, any hope of ever `seeing' the Truth?

How and when the vEdAs first happened to be written?

Did our sages (those who `saw' the Truth in `sound') approve the

writing-down?

If yes, why?

Weren't they then knowingly distancing a whole lot of humanity from

the Truth by waylaying it to written, inert words?

 

Worrying though these doubts are, kindly note that they are expressed

here with the sole intention of prospering this stimulating

discussion.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

UNQUOTE

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advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote:

>

> --- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair>

> wrote:

> > I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra

> > Saraswathi

> > today in my previous post.

> and

>

> > Infinity

> > is always

> > unconditioned like I explained in my initial post.

>

>

> Thank you for these posts. I will be using the most

> recent in next weeks postings, if I may, as they

> present a valuable link.

>

> Thank you for you guidance on the April topic,

>

> Ken Knight

>

> =====

> `From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.'

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