Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Namaste. I was doing some googling with respect to the word 'Matarishva' (occurring in Ken-ji's Rg Veda posts. Since I know that Aurobindo had something to say on this I looked for "Matarishva, Aurobindo". I was taken to the original French translation of Ishopanishad by Aurobindo. And there I found the 'translation' of the Purnamadah mantra by Aurobindo. I quote: Aum. Cela (Brahman inconditionné) est infini, ceci (Brahman conditionné) est infini. De l'infini (inconditionné) est apparu l'infini (conditionné). En prenant l'infini de l'infini (conditionné), il demeure comme le seul infini (inconditionné). (L'Infini inconditionné) demeure le même, même si l'infini (conditionné) est apparu à partir de lui. Unquote. My English translation: Aum. That unconditioned brahman is infinite, this conditioned brahman is infinite. The unconditioned infinity appears (as)the conditioned infinity. By taking infinity from the conditioned infinity, there remains only the unconditioned infinity. The unconditioned infinity remains the same, but the conditioned infinity appears to remain the same. Nair-ji's attention is invited. Mark how Aurobindo uses the words 'conditioned' to make the meaning clear. Please let me know whether I have messed up anything in my translation into English of Aurobindo's French. PraNAms to all advaitins profvk ===== Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Also see my webpages on Live Happily, the Gita Way at http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/contentsbeach11.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Namaste Prof. Krishnamurthyji. I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra Saraswathi today in my previous post. What more can I add? To me, using a term like 'conditioned infinite' is like calling the universe non- Brahman - a term Swamiji seems to laugh at. Brahman doesn't brook any non in the manner vegetarian has a non. Infinity is always unconditioned like I explained in my initial post. Adjectives are therefore very dangerous in the terrain that we are discussing as they lead to erroneous conclusions. With my humble praNams and respects to brilliant Aurobindo and all advaitins here. Madathil Nair _________________________ advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > Namaste. > > I was doing some googling with respect to the word > 'Matarishva' (occurring in Ken-ji's Rg Veda posts. Since I > know that Aurobindo had something to say on this I looked > for "Matarishva, Aurobindo". I was taken to the original > French translation of Ishopanishad by Aurobindo. And there > I found the 'translation' of the Purnamadah mantra by > Aurobindo. I quote: > > Aum. Cela (Brahman inconditionné) est infini, ceci (Brahman > conditionné) est infini. De l'infini (inconditionné) est > apparu l'infini (conditionné). En prenant l'infini de > l'infini (conditionné), il demeure comme le seul infini > (inconditionné). (L'Infini inconditionné) demeure le même, > même si l'infini (conditionné) est apparu à partir de lui. > Unquote. > > My English translation: > Aum. That unconditioned brahman is infinite, this > conditioned brahman is infinite. The unconditioned infinity > appears (as)the conditioned infinity. By taking infinity > from the conditioned infinity, there remains only the > unconditioned infinity. The unconditioned infinity remains > the same, but the conditioned infinity appears to remain > the same. > > Nair-ji's attention is invited. Mark how Aurobindo uses > the words 'conditioned' to make the meaning clear. Please > let me know whether I have messed up anything in my > translation into English of Aurobindo's French. > > PraNAms to all advaitins > profvk > > > ===== > Prof. V. Krishnamurthy > My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ > You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. > Also see my webpages on Live Happily, the Gita Way at http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/contentsbeach11.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 --- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote: > I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra > Saraswathi > today in my previous post. and > Infinity > is always > unconditioned like I explained in my initial post. Thank you for these posts. I will be using the most recent in next weeks postings, if I may, as they present a valuable link. Thank you for you guidance on the April topic, Ken Knight ===== ‘From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.’ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Namaste Kenji. You are welcome to quote. Afterall, they are Swamiji's thoughts and words. Moreover, all words and thoughts belong to our Madam Saraswatiji - the ever benevolent lady whose domain, as her children, we all can tresspass and tread without fear. I am reading every word of yours in the current discussion on Rig Veda. You are doing a commendable job - that too with just two years' familiarity with the topic! Yet, I have restrained myself from entering the fray for the following reasons: I have not studied the Vedas. I would like to do that with a traditionlist whose frequency I can share without difficulty. In my current circumstances, that is an impossible dream. I have found most of the English interpretations rather tedious notwithstanding the abundant references you have recommended as preparatory to following your exposition. At the moment, I am immersed neckdeep in mundane shopping with my most mundane family - all set to go on a 45 day vacation beginning 23rd June. Time for Vedic contemplation is, therefore, too precious a commodity to come by in all the running about that I am now doing. Yet, I keep chanting 'prAtar vadAmi lalitE tava punya namah kAmeshwarIti kamalEti mahEshwarIti shrIshAmbhavIti jagatAmjananI parEti vAgdEvatEti vacasA tripurEshwarIti'. That is from none other than our Sankara. Contemplation on these names elucidate the entire gamut of vEdAnta. May the vAgdEvatA be always with you bounteously blessing your efforts! PraNAms. Madathil Nair __________________ P.S.: In the beginning of the month when your initial posts appeared, I had drafted the following response of a general nature. However, I didn't post it for fear of generating controversy. Your kind words have now emboldened me and here it goes with me in trepidation. Kindly answer if my worries are of any worth. QUOTE Namaste Kenji. Your posts are examples of excellent thinking and, therefore, very thought-provoking. Granted that the truth lies in or is the `sound' that reveals, some disturbing questions emerge: Hasn't mankind perpetrated a big mistake by writing down what is only to be `heard'? Haven't those who take to the written form, like many of us here currently, any hope of ever `seeing' the Truth? How and when the vEdAs first happened to be written? Did our sages (those who `saw' the Truth in `sound') approve the writing-down? If yes, why? Weren't they then knowingly distancing a whole lot of humanity from the Truth by waylaying it to written, inert words? Worrying though these doubts are, kindly note that they are expressed here with the sole intention of prospering this stimulating discussion. PraNAms. Madathil Nair UNQUOTE ____ advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > --- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair> > wrote: > > I have quoted the indomitable Sw. Sachchitanandendra > > Saraswathi > > today in my previous post. > and > > > Infinity > > is always > > unconditioned like I explained in my initial post. > > > Thank you for these posts. I will be using the most > recent in next weeks postings, if I may, as they > present a valuable link. > > Thank you for you guidance on the April topic, > > Ken Knight > > ===== > `From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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