Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Note from the List Moderators: Namaste, We extend a cordial welcome to another new member to the list. We would like all members, (new - old - returning) - to feel at home in this 'advaita-cyber-satsang', and share the spiritual wisdom they are familiar with, within the scope of this list. Those who feel shy and prefer to remain anonymous can still send their ideas/questions/etc. to any of the Moderators for a response. We hope you will enjoy your participation, and share your joy with us. Advaitin List Moderators ---- I am interested in the philosophy that claims that reality is consciousness and consciousness only. I am interested both philosophically and experientially. I have read a certain amount of Western immaterialist philosophy and I have given myself to various meditation practices. I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination that one reads about. Harry Gardener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 That's a relief, Harry! Now there are at least two of us ;-) I rarely post, but at least I can welcome someone to the list ... so welcome, Harry. Bob Freedman > I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination that > one reads about. > > Harry Gardener > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 --- > > I am interested in the philosophy that claims that reality is > consciousness and consciousness only. > > I am interested both philosophically and experientially. > > I have read a certain amount of Western immaterialist philosophy > and I have given myself to various meditation practices. > > I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination that > one reads about. > As I understand, there is no grand illuminations. Whatever you experienced and not experienced - if it is known to you, that knowing principle is the so-called grand illumination. It is characterized as 'grand' only becuase it cannot be object of some other knowing principle. Everything is known only becuase of that and which itself cannot be known or experienced - since any experience involves experiencer, experienced and experiencing. What is involved is only understanding of the truth of all that is experienced and not experienced. That truth escaps us since we are longing for some 'grand' experience apart from our day to day experiences. No amount of meditation can help if we fail to recognize that every meditative experience is only in the presence of that 'grand' illumination which all the time is 'experienced'. Hari OM! Sadananda > Harry Gardener > > > > > > > ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Yaduji, My statements are not intended to undermine the required sadhana or yoga for mind to develope a firm abidence in the truth of oneself. Meditation as dhyana yoga is important and required for self-realization. Nidhidhyaasitavam - is the vedic statement. Yes yoga is part of maaya. I was only trying to separate the normal concept of 'experience' that one is longing for versus the 'pure knowledge'. To firmly establish in that knowledge 'one should have mind capable of doing that - where all the nontions of misunderstandings drop out. Sadhana, saadhya and saadhaka are all within the realm of maya only - including the so-called free-will or lack of it. Hari OM! Sadananda --- ymoharir <ymoharir wrote: > Dear Sadananda-Ji: > > I did not want over step by posting too many on the same day > therefore I am sending this to you directly. > > ------------- > > What you have said actually fits perfectly with the current topic of > discussion. Maayaa encompasses everything including the subject, the > object (purpose) and the observer as well. > > Thus separating and recognizing what is real and what is not is what > individual saadhanaa trains us to accomplish. > > But if we stop at just knowing then that will still remain only the > partial story. What has been observed or realized must then be > practiced in our daily life. "paraa and aparaa vidya" > > yaH shuciH prayato bhuutvaa juhuyaadaajyaanvaham | > > or when aacharya says – > > yadyata karmakaromi dakhilam shambho tavaaraasdhanam > > Just my 1 and 1/4 Cents. > > Regards, > > Dr. Yadu > > advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda > <kuntimaddisada> wrote: > > -- > - > > > > > > I am interested in the philosophy that claims that reality is > > > consciousness and consciousness only. > > > > > > I am interested both philosophically and experientially. > > > > > > I have read a certain amount of Western immaterialist philosophy > > > and I have given myself to various meditation practices. > > > > > > I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination > that > > > one reads about. > > > > > > > As I understand, there is no grand illuminations. Whatever you > > experienced and not experienced - if it is known to you, that > knowing > > principle is the so-called grand illumination. It is characterized > as > > 'grand' only becuase it cannot be object of some other knowing > > principle. Everything is known only becuase of that and which itself > > cannot be known or experienced - since any experience involves > > experiencer, experienced and experiencing. > > > > What is involved is only understanding of the truth of all that is > > experienced and not experienced. > > > > That truth escaps us since we are longing for some 'grand' > experience > > apart from our day to day experiences. No amount of meditation can > help > > if we fail to recognize that every meditative experience is only in > the > > presence of that 'grand' illumination which all the time is > > 'experienced'. > > > > Hari OM! > > Sadananda > > > > > > > > > Harry Gardener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have > is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. > > ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Hi Bob, thanks for welcoming me aboard. You say "that makes two of us" who have never had a grand illumination. Well, if Mr Sadananda is to be believed, maybe we are all in the same boat and this illumination business is just fairytales for children. Sure would like to know if there is any general agreement on this. I recall reading poetry where people describe illumination like it was better than sex and better than being a multimillionaire. I seem to remember that this illumination is supposed to produce an inner wellbeing so firm that nothing in the world can disturb it. I've even heard the word bliss used, though I can't really say I know what bliss might be. Your friend in ignorance Harry Bob Freedman <rlfreed wrote: That's a relief, Harry! Now there are at least two of us ;-) I rarely post, but at least I can welcome someone to the list ... so welcome, Harry. Bob Freedman > I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination that > one reads about. > > Harry Gardener > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Namaste Shri Gardener. We did discuss this topic last September in our "Is there Light in Englightenment?" debate. Relevant posts where Members have expressed their views can be accessed in the archives. PraNAms. Madathil Nair __________________ advaitin, Harry Gardener <spiritofmolly> wrote: > Well, if Mr Sadananda is to be believed, maybe we are all in the same boat and this illumination business is just fairytales for children. > > Sure would like to know if there is any general agreement on this. > I recall reading poetry where people describe illumination like it was better than sex and better than being a multimillionaire. > > I seem to remember that this illumination is supposed to produce an inner wellbeing so firm that nothing in the world can disturb it. > > I've even heard the word bliss used, though I can't really say I know what bliss might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 advaitin, Bob Freedman <rlfreed@p...> wrote: I have never experienced anything like the grand illumination that one reads about. Harry Gardener *********************** The "I" itself (that seeks the grand illumination) has an originating source. If through self-awareness, you trace that consciously, you will merge in That, and there will be no more room for experience or possibility of experience (even that of "grand illumination" as it cannot enter here). That is called the Heart and is of the nature of pure consciousness devoid of mind and thought and the ancient sages described it as Sat- Chit-Ananda. Have you read Sri Ramana Maharshi? Love to all Harsha /join "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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