Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Namaste all, Professor Krishnamurthy had asked me to consider the use of pataMga as 'the individual soul' in this amazing hymn. As I considered his direction I found myself returning to old questions of mine, 'Did our Vedic ancestors have a concept of an individual soul that is recognisable within our own ideas?' And secondly, 'How does an individual soul fit into non-dual philosophies?' The second is for other studies but I thought that it would be useful to present some of concepts identifiable in the Vedic hymns relevant to that first question. Again, I am giving you information that only glimpses the immensity of the Vedic vision. Your own interest can take you further. Individual soul I wonder if the people of the Vedic times had such a concept? In the West, with our dominant dualistic heritage, we commonly envisage, at best, an individual particle of light or drop of water in an all-pervading light or ocean. Even those who think they are teaching advaita are in fact followers of Ramanuja…….. although they probably never have heard of him. As Shankara writes, ‘Besides, the comparison of the soul with a drop of water is not apt at all; because we have repeatedly pointed out that the soul is not different from the highest Atman; but it is the latter which on account of its connection with the upAdhis is only metaphorically known as the soul. ‘ (See last posting on pataMga) I think that this is closer to the context of the Vedic vision. When I read the Rgveda I do not get the impression of a people seeking rescue from an oppressive, disgusting physical environment and transportation to a garden of everlasting delight. As stated earlier, they see and feel an all-pervading power of such immensity and mystery that they want to join in with the will of that power: Hence the notion of ‘kratu’, 'will power,’ but more on that later. They have an understanding of the human psyche and use words such as manas, hRd, citta, dhI and kratu. (incidentally, I think a very worthwhile study would be of the verbal roots jIv, tan,cit, man, jnA, vid and dhi used in the Vedic context and recorded by Panini. If anyone has the time and interest maybe we could do this together off-list some time.) However when we look for an individual soul as we know it I am not sure that it is there. For example, when they use the word ‘asu’ it has to do with that vitality in the individual that releases the universal power manifesting through the gods. This is linked with the jiva. Together they overcome the holding power of the night and so are linked with Dawn, Usha: RV I 113 16 úd iirdhvaM jiivó ásur na aágaad ápa praágaat táma aá jyótir eti | aáraik pánthaaM yaátave suúryaayaáganma yátra pratiránta aáyuH || ‘Arise! the breath (asu), the life (jIva), again hath reached us: darkness hath passed away and light approacheth. She, for the Sun, hath left a path to travel, we have arrived where men prolong existence.’ RV. I. 140. 7,8 sá saMstíro viSTíraH sáM gRbhaayati jaanánn evá jaanatiír nítya aá shaye | púnar vardhante ápi yanti devyàm anyád várpaH pitróH kRNvate sácaa || ‘Now covered, now displayed he grasps as one who knows his resting-place in those who know him well. A second time they wax and gather Godlike power, and blending both together change their Parents' form.' tám agrúvaH keshíniiH sáM hí rebhirá uurdhvaás tasthur mamrúSiiH praáyáve púnaH | taásaaM jaraám pramuñcánn eti naánadad ásum páraM janáyañ jiivám ástRtam || ‘The maidens with long, tresses hold him in embrace; dead, they rise up again to meet the Living One. Releasing them from age with a loud roar he comes, filling them with new spirit (asu), living (jIva), unsubdued.’ This renewal…......the sun disappears beneath the horizon and the reappears…......occurs in the tales of the Rbhus. ( I keep referring to these and you will find out more about them and their magic power later on). There is a term ‘vayas’ for the life force of the individual which is governed by another power in a lifetime, (ayu), which controls the number of breaths of a lifetime .......to put it into its nearest western context. So we read: RV.111.1 tákSan ráthaM suvR'taM vidmanaápasas tákSan hárii indravaáhaa vR'SaNvasuu | tákSan pitR'bhyaam Rbhávo yúvad váyas tákSan vatsaáya maatáraM sacaabhúvam || ‘Working with skill they wrought the lightly rolling car: they wrought the Bays who bear Indra and bring great gifts. The Rbhus for their Parents made life (vayas) young again; and fashioned for the calf a mother by its side.’ But superior to all these is breath, prANa. Just as ‘That One breathed, without breath’…NasadIya sUkta if you remember the earlier postings….. so that breath breathes in us. RV X 59.6 ásuniite púnar asmaásu cákSuH púnaH praaNám ihá no dhehi bhógam | jyók pashyema suúryam uccárantam ánumate mRLáyaa naH svastí || ‘Give us our sight again, O Asuniti, give us again our breath (prANa) and our enjoyment. Long may we look upon the Sun uprising; O Anumati, favour thou and bless us.’ Notice ‘Anumati’ there and the verbal root ‘an’ which gives us the ‘breath’ in Atman. Atman in the Rgveda is often translated as ‘spirit’ because of its basis in breath, and this brings us to a crucial verse dedicated to the Sun, sUrya: RV.115.1 citráM devaánaam úd agaad ániikaM cákSur mitrásya váruNasyaagnéH aápraa | dyaávaapRthivií antárikSaM suúrya aatmaá jágatas tasthúSash ca || ‘The brilliant presence of the Gods hath risen, the eye of Mitra, Varuna and Agni. The soul(AtmA) of all that moveth not or moveth, the Sun hath filled the air (AtmA) and earth and heaven.’ RV. VII. 101.6 sá retodhaá vRSabháH sháshvatiinaaM tásminn aatmaá jágatas tasthúSash ca | tán ma Rtám paatu shatáshaaradaaya yuuyám paata svastíbhiH sádaa naH || ‘He is the Bull of all, and their impregnator, he holds the life (AtmA) of all things fixed and moving. May this rite save me till my hundredth autumn. Preserve us evermore, ye Gods, with blessings.’ So this AtmA, in the Rigveda is both the universal and the individual essence. If we jump forward to the Upanishads we can find evidence for this non-dual AtmA evolving into a reincarnating, individual Atman. (Br.Up.IV.4.3, also have a look at Ch. Up. VIII.12.1, especially if you have Shankara’s commentary which is very interesting on this topic but will take us into that other discussion arising from my second question above.) So I am left with the same question as I have had for some time, ‘Did our Vedic ancestors have a concept of the individual soul as we have inherited it from later thought.?’ My gut-feeling is that they did not as they were more of a communal society than we are today in our urbanised communities. In these the individual tries to take the universal power of life to achieve personal goals rather than serve the universal. 'Self-empowerment' books fill the shelves of our bookshops but they, alas, useful as they are for a time result in an individual mAyA that is really a false appearance, an upAdhi. Ken Knight ‘From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.’ ===== ‘From this Supreme Self are all these, indeed, breathed forth.’ Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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