Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Dennis and Sridhar The two topics are related if thinks about it. As the mind gets purified, the knowledge of oneself slowly sinks into oneself. But due to habitual notions, which are hard to get eliminated due to pressure of vasana-s, this abidance of oneself in oneself does not lost long. As the mind gets more and more purified in these very process, the notions slowly get eliminated and one gets firmly rooted in oneself. Hence the so called glimpses of oneself free from superimpositions in Mediation or the grand illuminations that one experiences as one experiences oneself –In the interim, that oneself is free from al delusory notions escapes us and does not sink in to the degree that the understanding that I am ever free does not firmly abide in us. Hence this process appears to be a slow evolutionary process - Just like one is dowsing before one fully sleeps or gets up (snoozy time!). But the anxiety to experience that grand illuminations itself can become obstructions since that longingness is rooted in the misunderstanding that the experience is far away from oneself. But the intense desire for muukshutvam is translated as rejection of not-self than longing for the self- the table gets turned around. Hence meditations emphasizes the rejection of the not-self in the discovery of oneself - neti neti. The knowledge of oneself gets firmly rooted when one fully abides himself in the experience of oneself by oneself in oneself. The interim delusion that was referred to which is also the opposite of grand illuminations that were referred to earlier mails are all evolutionary stages of trying to be firmly established in oneself that pervades all selves! But these grand illuminations (glimpses of oneself ) are much more grand than those that we experience when we are momentarily happy when our desires are fulfilled. All happy states are the illumination of oneself in oneself. Hari OM! Sadananda --- Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: > Hi Sridhar, > > You asked: > > "In the interim state where there is some kind of intellectual > appreciation > but not the complete experience will not every sadhana be a bit of > self > delusion?" > > The simple answer must be 'yes'. Ultimately, all sAdhanA is part of > the > illusion. ===== What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort. Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Namaste Sunderji,Kenji, Dennisji,Sadaji, Madathilji and all A quick reread through your clear replies on this subject has set some of my doubts to rest firmly. I used to exercise my mind about what I call the outside and Inside perspectives. For, very often , what is sadhana to the seeker could like a weird or laborious or misguided activity to someone on a different path. Examples abound - I have heard outsiders being critical of say sahaja yogis, Hare Krishna ideals etc. My take is that, often, one is better off not analysing 'others' on the spiritual path. There is so much to be sorted out within. In this context one does find Sadaji's pointers so comforting. My net take is to, along the path, happily acknowledge these 'glimpses of oneself' ( they are so truly grander than the short bursts of happiness we get when desires are fulfilled) and continue practise on the basis of Guru's guidance. Many namaskarams to all Sridhar advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada> wrote: > > Dennis and Sridhar > The knowledge of oneself gets firmly rooted when one fully abides > himself in the experience of oneself by oneself in oneself. The interim > delusion that was referred to which is also the opposite of grand > illuminations that were referred to earlier mails are all evolutionary > stages of trying to be firmly established in oneself that pervades all > selves! But these grand illuminations (glimpses of oneself ) are much > more grand than those that we experience when we are momentarily happy > when our desires are fulfilled. All happy states are the illumination > of oneself in oneself. > > > Hari OM! > Sadananda > > > > --- Dennis Waite <dwaite@a...> wrote: > > Hi Sridhar, > > > > You asked: > > > > "In the interim state where there is some kind of intellectual > > appreciation > > but not the complete experience will not every sadhana be a bit of > > self > > delusion?" > > > > The simple answer must be 'yes'. Ultimately, all sAdhanA is part of > > the > > illusion. > > ===== > What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self- effort. Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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