To all the realists in this great group - Last post but lasting message !

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Dear One and Many,

 

First, let me thank Prabhuji for his well-written response in a true

bhava of Vaishnava Humility. Prabhuji, i will definitely check that

book by sri Ramachandra Rao out. Prabhuji, as you know i am a great

lover of poetic ( devotional ones specially ) works and i am very

fond of Saundarya Lahari specially for its lyrical beauty. This great

work is also the foundation on which Sri Vidya Upasana rests. i know

from the style and the similies and methaphors used in that great

text, only our beloved Shankara Bhagvadapada could have written

that ! But our jagadguru himself confesses that It was sree Bhavani

mata herself who spoke the words and adi shankara was merely the

instrument.

 

also, Sunderji - thank you for that beautiful reminder from sri

Ramana - Maharshi used another metaphor on other occasions: When a

husband (ego) dies, all his 3 wives (agami, sanchita, prarabdha

karmas) are widowed at the same time, not one by one!

 

SUNDERJI, it is also my understanding that if and one gets initiatied

by a self-realized Guru, The Guru takes over all the Karmas ( agami,

prarabda and sanchita ) of the discip;e. is this true or false?

 

To all others, thank you so much! Please let the 'knowledge of Fire'

burn IN THIS HOLY SATSANGHA . KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM ALL SIDES ...

including Buddhism, Jainism and other isms.

 

 

It is my pleasure to bring the folloing memorable quotations from

Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, MY GURU'S GURU, ON THIS HOLY DAY

DEDICATED TO GU-RU.

 

"is the unwavering conviction of the jnani that Brahman alone is real

and the world illusory. All these names and forms are illusory, like

a dream. What Brahman is cannot be described. One cannot even say

that Brahman is a Person. This is the opinion of the jnanis, the

followers of Vedanta philosophy.

 

But the bhaktas accept all the sates of consciousness. They take the

waking state to be real also. They don't think the world to be

illusory, like a dream. They say that the universe is a manifestation

of God's power and glory. God has created all these -- sky, stars,

moon, sun, mountains, ocean, men, animals. They constitute His

golory. He is within us, in our hearts. Again, He is outside. The

most advanced devotees say that He Himself has become all this -- the

twenty-four cosmic principles, the universe, and all living beings.

The devotee of God wants to eat the sugar, and not to become the

sugar. (All laugh).

 

The yogi seeks to realize the Paramatman, the Supreme Soul. His ideal

is the union of the embodied soul and the Supreme Soul. He withdraws

his mind from sense-objects and tried to concentrate on the

Paramatman...

 

But the Reality is one and the same; the difference is only in name.

He who is Brahman is verily Atman, and again, He is the Bhagavan. He

is Brahman to the followers of the path of knowledge, Paramatman to

the yogis, and the Bhagavan to the lovers of God.

(pp. 191-192)

 

 

(Brahman with attributes) is meant for the bhanktas. In other words,

a bhakta believes that God has attributes and reveals Himself to men

as a Person, assuming forms. It is He who listens to our prayers. The

prayers that you utter are directed to Him alone. It doesn't matter

whether you accept God with form or not. It is enough to feel that

God is a Person who listens to our prayers, who creates, preserves,

and destroys the universe, and who is endowed with infinite power.

It is easier to attain God by following the path of devotion.

(pp. 209-210)

 

Ramakrishna:

He who is attributeless also has attributes. He who is Brahman is

also Shakti. When thought of as inactive, He is called Brahman, and

when thought of as the Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer, He is

called the Primorial Energy, Kali.

Brahman and Sahkti are identical, like fire and its power to burn.

When we talk of fire we automatically mean also its power to burn.

Again, the fire's power to burn implies the fire itself. If you

accept the one you must accept the other.

(p. 161)

 

Gospel OF shri Ramakrishna!

 

Salutations to BraHman and SaKthi!

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advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16>

wrote:

> it is also my understanding that if and one gets initiatied

> by a self-realized Guru, The Guru takes over all the Karmas ( agami,

> prarabdha and sanchita ) of the disciple. is this true or false?

 

Namaste,

 

This is according to the understanding of the disciple. As all

sages, including Ramana, point out, Guru is not the 'body'. The Guru

as Spirit can 'take over' anything the disciple offers, once the

surrender is complete. The Gita says this in different ways :

'mokShayiShyAmi mA shuchaH ', etc.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder