Monthly Topics - Real and Unreal

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

In view of the loss of 3 days of postings due to a server

glitch, and to give adequate time to Chittaranjan-ji to round off his

series (and for the readers to raise questions and receive answers),

it would seem fair to extend the deadline for conclusion to Aug 2004

(or even perhaps Sept. 2004).

 

Two more topics are yet to be discussed: Greg-ji's 'Place of

Practice in Vedanta'; and Bhaskar-ji's 'Adhyaropavada', and we may

take them up in that order, if they agree.

 

The complete list of suggested topics is in the Files section,

and as usual will be posted on the 1st of each month. Volunteers are

needed to be chief discussants for any topic of their choice; new

topics are also welcome.

 

 

List Moderators

[Guest guest]

Namaste to Moderators,

 

 

advaitin, "advaitins" <advaitins> wrote:

> In view of the loss of 3 days of postings due to a server

> glitch, and to give adequate time to Chittaranjan-ji to

> round off his series (and for the readers to raise questions

> and receive answers), it would seem fair to extend the

> deadline for conclusion to Aug 2004 (or even perhaps

> Sept. 2004).

 

Thank you Sirs for the extension of time. Apart from the three days

of loss due to the server glitch, I have been having other problems

as my computer seems to have acquired a mind of its own..... it waits

for the crucial moment to reboot itself. But still I don't think I

will need more than a week to post the remaining two essays. The rest

of the month (Aug 2004) can be left open for discussion of various

viewpoints on the topic, but I feel that stretching it to September

may not be required. As Shri Ram Chandranji has mentioned, this is an

interminable topic and will perhaps only be resolved in realising the

Self. But then that truth of realisation can never be fully

communicated because the recipient will see this very truth through

the veil of ignorance. It is only the Guru that can work through the

knot of the disciple's avidya. So I have been told.

 

I once again thank the moderators for giving me the opportunity to

learn through these discussions.

 

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

[Guest guest]

our beloved Chitta writes

 

( As Shri Ram Chandranji has mentioned, this is an > interminable

topic and will perhaps only be resolved in realising the

Self. But then that truth of realisation can never be fully

communicated because the recipient will see this very truth through

the veil of ignorance. It is only the Guru that can work through the

knot of the disciple's avidya.)

 

in this context, may i please share a verse from the Srimad

Bhagvatam?

 

bhidyate hridaya-granthish

chidyante sarva-samshayah

kshiyante casya karmani

drishta evatmanishvare

 

 

 

"Thus the knots of the heart and all misgivings are cut to pieces.

The chain of fruitive actions, karma, is terminated when one sees the

self as master."

 

- Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.17-21

 

BUT, the million dollar question is how can you the see the 'self' as

master ?

 

BHAKTI YOGA - through the path of love and devotion.

 

arjuna uvaca

evam satata-yukta ye

bhaktas tvam paryupasate

ye capy aksaram avyaktam

tesam ke yoga-vittamah

 

 

 

TRANSLATION

Arjuna inquired: What is considered to be more perfect, those who are

properly engaged in Your devotional service, or those who worship the

impersonal Brahman, the unmanifested? (BG-chapter 12 , verse 1 )

 

sri-bhagavan uvaca

mayy avesya mano ye mam

nitya-yukta upasate

sraddhaya parayopetas

te me yuktatama matah

 

 

TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: He whose mind is fixed on My personal form,

always engaged in worshiping Me with great and transcendental faith,

is considered by Me to be most perfect. (chapter 12, verse 2)

 

 

http://www.sundararaman.com/bg/chapter_12.html - 9k - Cached

 

VERSE 20 in Adi Shankara's Baja Govindam Stotra states

 

bhagavad.h giitaa kiJNchidadhiitaa

gaN^gaa jalalava kaNikaapiitaa .

sakR^idapi yena muraari samarchaa

kriyate tasya yamena na charchaa

 

 

Let a man but read from the Gita,

Drink of the Ganges but a drop,

Worship but once the Lord Almighty,(Murari-Govinda)

And he will set at rest forever,

All his fear of the King of Death.

 

Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum!