Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Dear Friends, Here are some notes about what I consider to be the fundamental flaws in Neo Advaita .I would appreciate, additions comments etc.With thanks Alan > > The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all is consciousness' But the question is > how to live from this Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional love, dynamic silence,peace, sahaja > samahdi etc..always. without any identification with the 'false sense of me' compounded by > accumalated conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self will.This veiling brings abou a > mirrorisation so that the Pure Absolute Consciousness becomes the ordinary everday Reflected Consciousness and weak in comparison > with the Absolute Consciousness of the Englightened Sage. Advaita says that this obscuration > caused > by the' false sense of me' has to be eliminated [as in sufism etc.] .This is successfully done > by > self enquiry and surrender .Otherwise to just say 'all is consciousness there is nothing to do ' > is conceptual from the mind, not from 'no mind' and non progressive. It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not > Absolute,consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of living perpetually from The Absolute > Consciousnes of Reality, Bliss etc. Alan Jacobs > > ===== > Life is a pure flame,and we live > by an invisible Sun within us. > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new > features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Namaste Shri Alan-ji, advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs" <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all > > is consciousness' But the question is how to live from this > > Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional love, dynamic silence, > > peace, sahaja samahdi etc..always. without any identification > > with the 'false sense of me' compounded by accumalated > > conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self will. > > It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not Absolute, > > consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of > > living perpetually from The Absolute Consciousnes > > of Reality, Bliss etc. Neo-Advaita is not Advaita Vedanta. In Advaita Vedanta, all this is not that consciousness that the jiva knows; the Consciousness of the Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its light in the clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the self - that is the jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the Consciousness permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs of its confusions and delusions to reveal the Light that shines greater than a thousand suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is referred as 'That' in 'That thou art' is known. In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'. Brahman Himself may say it through a jiva that has completely surrendered its will to Brahman. Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita. Warm regards, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Greg and Sri Chittaranjan, Thank you for your invaluable postings on this topic which help me clarify my understanding of this new movement purporting to be Advaita.Perhps Pseudo would be a better term than Neo .it is rampant in the West and delays many young people from making the effort to dig deeper into the teachings of great Sages like Sankara, Ramana, etc. Every best wish and warm regards, Alan advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik" <chittaranjan_naik> wrote: > Namaste Shri Alan-ji, > > advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs" > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > > > The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all > > > is consciousness' But the question is how to live from this > > > Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional love, dynamic silence, > > > peace, sahaja samahdi etc..always. without any identification > > > with the 'false sense of me' compounded by accumalated > > > conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self will. > > > > It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not Absolute, > > > consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of > > > living perpetually from The Absolute Consciousnes > > > of Reality, Bliss etc. > > > Neo-Advaita is not Advaita Vedanta. In Advaita Vedanta, all this is > not that consciousness that the jiva knows; the Consciousness of the > Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its light in the > clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the self - that is the > jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the Consciousness > permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs of its confusions > and delusions to reveal the Light that shines greater than a thousand > suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is referred as 'That' > in 'That thou art' is known. > > In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'. Brahman Himself may > say it through a jiva that has completely surrendered its will to > Brahman. > > Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita. > > Warm regards, > Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 --- Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik wrote: > Namaste Shri Alan-ji, > > advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs" > > Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its > light in the > clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the > self - that is the > jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the > Consciousness > permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs > of its confusions > and delusions to reveal the Light that shines > greater than a thousand > suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is > referred as 'That' > in 'That thou art' is known. > > In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'. > Brahman Himself may > say it through a jiva that has completely > surrendered its will to > Brahman. > > Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita. > > Warm regards, > Chittaranjan ************************** Namaste Chittranjanji: What you say makes sense in many ways, although someone may point out that Brahman does not say anything to anyone or through anyone. It is One without a second. In Advaita Vedanta and according to our sages, the very firm conviction on part of the Jiva that, "I am myself the Supreme Consciousness" or "I am Brahman" is helpful. This conviction may come to some from the words of the teacher and meditating on the Mahavakyas and following instructions and self-inquiry into one's nature. When a teacher says "That thou Art" and the student with an overwhelming and firm faith in the words of the teacher and the scriptures is unable to contradict those words, the conviction arises that I am myself Brahman. This conviction is referred to many Advaitic scriptures as a means to Self-Realization. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 --- Harsha <harshaimtm wrote: > When a teacher says "That thou Art" and the student > with an overwhelming and firm faith in the words of > the teacher and the scriptures is unable to contradict > those words, the conviction arises that I am myself > Brahman. This conviction is referred to many Advaitic > scriptures as a means to Self-Realization. > > Love to all > Harsha > Yes Harshaji - you are right. It is like Mr. Jones thought he was a rat and now realized after many sittings with his psychiatrist that he is not a rat but he is a man. It is the understanding on the part of Mr. Jones that he was and is and he will be a man and was never a rat. Obviously the ratty Jones realized that he is not ratty after all. In the realization of the so-called identity, the concept of jiiva itself is dissolved too and no need to have a locus for the jiivahood or ajnaana. Asking for locus for ajnaaana itself is within the realm of ignorance - it is like asking who became a rat? The teaching is also eternal only from the point of jiivas - as long as the misunderstanding that the notion that I am a rat and not a man persists in the generations to come! There are no direct paths and indirect path - that there are, only confirms that ignorance. Paths are only for purification and not for realization. Realization is not a path, it is an understanding of self-existent fact. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort. Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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