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Dear Friends,

Here are some notes about what I consider to be the

fundamental flaws in Neo Advaita .I would appreciate, additions

comments etc.With thanks Alan

>

> The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all is

consciousness' But the question is

> how to live from this Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional

love, dynamic silence,peace, sahaja

> samahdi etc..always. without any identification with the 'false

sense of me' compounded by

> accumalated conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self

will.This veiling brings abou a

> mirrorisation so that the Pure Absolute Consciousness

becomes the ordinary everday Reflected Consciousness and

weak in comparison

> with the Absolute Consciousness of the Englightened Sage.

Advaita says that this obscuration

> caused

> by the' false sense of me' has to be eliminated [as in sufism

etc.] .This is successfully done

> by

> self enquiry and surrender .Otherwise to just say 'all is

consciousness there is nothing to do '

> is conceptual from the mind, not from 'no mind' and non

progressive. It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not

> Absolute,consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of

living perpetually from The Absolute

> Consciousnes of Reality, Bliss etc.

 

 

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Namaste Shri Alan-ji,

 

advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs"

<alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> > The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all

> > is consciousness' But the question is how to live from this

> > Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional love, dynamic silence,

> > peace, sahaja samahdi etc..always. without any identification

> > with the 'false sense of me' compounded by accumalated

> > conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self will.

> > It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not Absolute,

> > consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of

> > living perpetually from The Absolute Consciousnes

> > of Reality, Bliss etc.

 

 

Neo-Advaita is not Advaita Vedanta. In Advaita Vedanta, all this is

not that consciousness that the jiva knows; the Consciousness of the

Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its light in the

clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the self - that is the

jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the Consciousness

permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs of its confusions

and delusions to reveal the Light that shines greater than a thousand

suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is referred as 'That'

in 'That thou art' is known.

 

In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'. Brahman Himself may

say it through a jiva that has completely surrendered its will to

Brahman.

 

Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita.

 

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

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Dear Greg and Sri Chittaranjan,

 

Thank you for your invaluable postings on this topic which help

me clarify my understanding of this new movement purporting to

be Advaita.Perhps Pseudo would be a better term than Neo .it is

rampant in the West and delays many young people from

making the effort to dig deeper into the teachings of great Sages

like Sankara, Ramana, etc.

 

Every best wish and warm regards, Alan

 

 

 

advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik"

<chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

> Namaste Shri Alan-ji,

>

> advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs"

> <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

>

> > > The theory of Neo Advaita may agree with Advaita that 'all

> > > is consciousness' But the question is how to live from this

> > > Absolute Consciousnes, unconditional love, dynamic

silence,

> > > peace, sahaja samahdi etc..always. without any

identification

> > > with the 'false sense of me' compounded by accumalated

> > > conditioned tendencies and narcisistic self will.

>

> > > It is still in relative ,ordinary ,not Absolute,

> > > consciousnes, and does not bring about the shift of

> > > living perpetually from The Absolute Consciousnes

> > > of Reality, Bliss etc.

>

>

> Neo-Advaita is not Advaita Vedanta. In Advaita Vedanta, all this

is

> not that consciousness that the jiva knows; the

Consciousness of the

> Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its light in the

> clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the self - that is

the

> jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the Consciousness

> permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs of its

confusions

> and delusions to reveal the Light that shines greater than a

thousand

> suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is referred as

'That'

> in 'That thou art' is known.

>

> In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'. Brahman

Himself may

> say it through a jiva that has completely surrendered its will to

> Brahman.

>

> Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita.

>

> Warm regards,

> Chittaranjan

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--- Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik

wrote:

> Namaste Shri Alan-ji,

>

> advaitin, "Alan Adams-Jacobs"

>

> Supreme Self is the one that knows the jiva, and its

> light in the

> clearing of the body is what the jiva knows as the

> self - that is the

> jiva's self. The jiva has to learn to see the

> Consciousness

> permeating everything, it has to clear the cobwebs

> of its confusions

> and delusions to reveal the Light that shines

> greater than a thousand

> suns before the Advaita Consciousness that is

> referred as 'That'

> in 'That thou art' is known.

>

> In Advaita, the jiva does not say 'I am Brahman'.

> Brahman Himself may

> say it through a jiva that has completely

> surrendered its will to

> Brahman.

>

> Atleast that is my understanding of Advaita.

>

> Warm regards,

> Chittaranjan

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Namaste Chittranjanji:

 

What you say makes sense in many ways, although

someone may point out that Brahman does not say

anything to anyone or through anyone. It is One

without a second.

 

In Advaita Vedanta and according to our sages, the

very firm conviction on part of the Jiva that, "I am

myself the Supreme Consciousness" or "I am Brahman" is

helpful.

 

This conviction may come to some from the words of the

teacher and meditating on the Mahavakyas and following

instructions and self-inquiry into one's nature.

 

When a teacher says "That thou Art" and the student

with an overwhelming and firm faith in the words of

the teacher and the scriptures is unable to contradict

those words, the conviction arises that I am myself

Brahman. This conviction is referred to many Advaitic

scriptures as a means to Self-Realization.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

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--- Harsha <harshaimtm wrote:

> When a teacher says "That thou Art" and the student

> with an overwhelming and firm faith in the words of

> the teacher and the scriptures is unable to contradict

> those words, the conviction arises that I am myself

> Brahman. This conviction is referred to many Advaitic

> scriptures as a means to Self-Realization.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

 

Yes Harshaji - you are right.

 

It is like Mr. Jones thought he was a rat and now realized after many

sittings with his psychiatrist that he is not a rat but he is a man. It

is the understanding on the part of Mr. Jones that he was and is and he

will be a man and was never a rat. Obviously the ratty Jones realized

that he is not ratty after all. In the realization of the so-called

identity, the concept of jiiva itself is dissolved too and no need to

have a locus for the jiivahood or ajnaana.

 

Asking for locus for ajnaaana itself is within the realm of ignorance -

it is like asking who became a rat? The teaching is also eternal only

from the point of jiivas - as long as the misunderstanding that the

notion that I am a rat and not a man persists in the generations to

come! There are no direct paths and indirect path - that there are,

only confirms that ignorance. Paths are only for purification and not

for realization. Realization is not a path, it is an understanding of

self-existent fact.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

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Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only

the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda

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