Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 praNAms Hare Krishna Last year in advaita-L list we had discussed shankara bhAshya on gIta (9-25) wherein shankara says worship of vinAyaka & mAtrugaNa is tAmasic & avaidik. Sri Jaldhar prabhuji & Sri Vidyashankar prabhuji have gracefully expressed their opinions on this commentary. I've shared my understanding on the issue. Following is the relevant part of it. I request learned members of this list to share their line of thinking. Hari Hari Hari Bol. bhaskar //quote // Sri Jaldhar prabhuji: In 9.25 Krishna Bhagvan is saying those who worship (other) Devatas go the Devatas, those who worship the Pitrs go to the Pitrs and those who worship the "Bhutas" go to them. So to summarize it is those spirits and Godlings who are worshipped only out of fear of some bad luck if they are ignored which is being called Tamasic here. We cannot reduce the whole figures of Mataji and Ganesh Bhagawan to such minor status. > praNAm Sri Jaldhar Prabhuji > Hare Krishna > Thanks for your kind clarification. Just I quoted 9-25 & shankara's commentary on it as passing comments. Swamiji of HN pur also not discussed this issue in length. He just says, vinAyaka, chaturbhagini, mAtru gaNa etc. are the names appear in tantra shAstra. I have checked other commentaries also on this verse as well as 17-4 prabhuji. In BG As It Is srila prabhupad says it is evil spirits like bhuta, preta etc. Chinamaya also of the same opinion. Sri Madhusudana Saraswati in guDartha dIpika (English translation by Swamy Gambhirananda - RK Mission) while commenting on this verse clearly says those who have the quality of tamas are bhUtEjyaH, as you said above worshippers of beings, but these beings are nothing but yakshas, the rAkShas, vinAyaka (pls. note the singular) & group of mAtrukAs (16 in Nos.). > Well, shankara's bhAshya goes like this: bhUtAni vinAyaka mAtrugaNa (*mAtru gaNa* shankara says while commenting on 17-4 as sapta mAtruka-s) chaturbhaginyAdIni yAnti bhUtEjyaH bhUtAnAm pUjatAH..here ijyA (worship) in bhUtEjya is very important prabhuji. it does not make any sense if we interpret bhUta-s are mere evil beings which one worship (chinmayananda comments on this verse it is only wicked persons like rowdies, goondas etc.). This has been discussed in gudArtha dIpika prabhuji. In 17-4 it is mentioned that brAhmins & others who fall from their caste, duties acquires aerial bodies after the fall of their present bodies and they become ghosts called ulkAmukha, kata, pUtana etc. pretAs are a class of piShacha-s (here author quotes manu write of dharma shAstra). So, it is clear that shankara referring to bhUtas as tAmasi shanktis only which have been being worshipped tAmasi people. > The VinAyaka is the popular synonym for ganEsha apart from vighnEsha, gaNapati etc., Sri Varasiddi Vinayaka vrata is most popular festival in South India. So, there is no harm in guessing that shankara hailed from South India may be referring to this vinAyaka only. In atharva veda there is one Sri ganEsharthavashIrsham which says he is permanent resident in mUlAdhAra chakra (tvam mUlAdhAra stitOsi nityaM) (Shat chakras i.e. mulAdhAra, svadhishtAna, maNipura, anAhata, viSudda, AgnA chakras & related kundalini yoga, as we know purely based on hatha yogic tAntric sAdhana). Moreover, it is also interesting to be noted that gaNapati referred in Rig vEda mantras such as gaNAnAntva gaNapatiM havAmahe (2.23.1) & Rig vEda saMhita's ganapati sUkta (10.112.9) (AtUna indrakshumantam chitram grabham sangrubhAya .....ni Shu sIda ganapate etc.) & the gaNapati what we are worshipping today in a bizzare form are completely different. I request the Sanskrit scholars in this list to highlight the difference what we can observe by going through these mantras. > It is not that vinAyaka is a foreigner to tAntric sAdhana, as Sri Vidya prabhuji mentioned all most all deities of hindu pantheon has tAntric background. So, our vinAyaka is not an exception to that. Apart from his auspisious form (maNgala rUpa) there is a custom in tAntric tradition which prefers worship of vinAyaka in rudra rUpa (source : yantra, mantra & tantra - kannada book by shillela Basavaiah Shastri) & there is *siddhi mantra* with bijAkshara also mentioned to get subtle powers (siddhis). In tAntric sAdhana vinAyaka worshipped as *shakti gaNapati* or vIra vignEsha with a military form with 5 heads, ten hands holding various weapons. Apart from this various varieties of shakti ganapati well explained in tantra shastras. One of the forms this shakti ganapati is *ucchishtta gaNapati which is completly in ugly form associated with unclean things like orts etc. This type of deity specifically used to prophiate the vinAyaka in vamAchAra mArga. > With the above, we can say that *vinAyaka* mentioned by shankara in his commentary is one of the forms of vignesha used in tAntric sAdhana. > Now as regards mAtru gaNa & chaturbhagini, shankara says in 17-4 prEtAn bhUtagaNAscha saptamAtrukAdInshcha anyE yajante tAmasA janAH..I've given madhusudana's commentary above, so, who are these sapta mAtrukAs, these matrukAs are nothing but aspects of mAta pArvati in durgA form (ravi prabhuji kindly correct me if I am wrong) purANa story says that these sapta mAtrukas are manifested from durgA mAta when she wants to tackle the mAyA shakti of rakta bijAsura. The worship of these matrukas shankara says will be done by tAmasa janAH. The Vedic status of Devi is well established in Shri Sukta etc. In Chandogyopanishad Uma the dughter of Himavan is said to be the giver of Brahmavidya. Shankaracharya does not make any complaint in that regard. > shankara in his bhAshya on kena not categorically admits it is indeed daughter of Himavanta. He takes this as second option the word *athava* (or) is important here. Nevertheless shankara mentions in second option she is wife of Eshvara. > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > humble praNAms once again prabhuji > bhaskar //unquote // Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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