Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin: The best place to practice 'detachment' is to operate as a moderator of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who post the messages also need to be detached. We should post our messages also with the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed, some of them get rejected, and some of them well received and appreciated by the fellow members. The action of posting a message is no different from actions such as playing a game, doing office work, or writing an examination. When the arrow is released from the bow, the hunter can't control the outcome and that is bottom line of Gita's message. As a friend, my advice to you is not to get dejected or agitated when your posting of the letter with an appeal to the president of India got rejected by the moderators! As moderators, we shouldn't get dejected or agitated when some member shows his/her frustration over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can help both the posters and the moderators to free themselves from agitations and frustrations! Honestly, there are many politically (and also educationally) oriented lists who would love to read the letter and also take appropriate actions to correct the Indian Educational System. India is a democracy and the elected officials do debate on the issues discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free and interested members of this list can always access information such as your letter from various other sources. This list certainly can't resolve all world issues and problems. we want to focus one and only issue - SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has to spend more than a month to educate us on what is real and what is unreal. Let us just postpone our interest on other issues until we comprehend the 'SELF.' My Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "Benjamin Root" <orion777ben> wrote: > Ah, but my message was rejected with such > grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-) > > Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the > WAVES List. It is a recent message > posted by Michel Danino. > > Benjamin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Namaste Ramji, I never got dejected when you rejected my message. I expected that to happen. I understand that you are trying to keep the list pure, and I congratulate you. You are doing the right thing. The only reason I tried to slip that message in is because I am fascinated by the political turmoil in India, where Hindus often seem unwelcome in their own country, as far as the left and the intelligentsia are concerned. The connection to this list is clear! It is amazing and absurd that anyone would want to denigrate Hinduism in textbooks or in political discourse. All religions have their problems, and Hinduism is no exception. But to dwell on the problems and ignore the marvelous wisdom of the Upanishads or the Gita is simply malicious, as far as I am concerned. I think that all students in the world, not just India, should have some idea of what Hinduism and Buddhism are about, and they should realize that these are some of the highlights of world civilization. That this kind of information should be excluded or distorted in Indian textbooks should be shocking to all members of this list. Still, this is not the place for political discussions. You are right in that respect. Hari Om! Benjamin advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...> wrote: > Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin: > > The best place to practice 'detachment' is to operate as a moderator > of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who post the messages > also need to be detached. We should post our messages also with > the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed, some of them get > rejected, and some of them well received and appreciated by the > fellow members. The action of posting a message is no different from > actions such as playing a game, doing office work, or writing an > examination. When the arrow is released from the bow, the hunter > can't control the outcome and that is bottom line of Gita's message. > > As a friend, my advice to you is not to get dejected or agitated > when your posting of the letter with an appeal to the president of > India got rejected by the moderators! As moderators, we shouldn't > get dejected or agitated when some member shows his/her frustration > over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can help both the > posters and the moderators to free themselves from agitations and > frustrations! > > Honestly, there are many politically (and also educationally) > oriented lists who would love to read the letter and also take > appropriate actions to correct the Indian Educational System. India > is a democracy and the elected officials do debate on the issues > discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free and interested > members of this list can always access information such as your > letter from various other sources. This list certainly can't resolve > all world issues and problems. we want to focus one and only issue - > SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has to spend more than > a month to educate us on what is real and what is unreal. Let us > just postpone our interest on other issues until we comprehend > the 'SELF.' > > My Warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran > > advaitin, "Benjamin Root" <orion777ben> > wrote: > > Ah, but my message was rejected with such > > grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-) > > > > Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the > > WAVES List. It is a recent message > > posted by Michel Danino. > > > > Benjamin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 my dear shri. ben, shri, ramchandran, the detachment advised by sri. ramchandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism are where it has reached at the dawn of the millennium. look at the indian situation today: at the time of independence, the minority population in india was 8%, and that of hindus in our westen neighbour was 12%. today the minority population in india is 22%, and the population of hindus, sikhs, christians all put together in our western nation is 1 %. =========================== within india, the " majority" has become minority in the seven states in the north east due to systematic and uncontrolled conversions. in the rest of the country, seven states are tottering on the brink of becoming minority states for the hindus. even in kerala, an egalitarian state preserving most of the traditional roots of hinduism, hindus are now in a 50: 50 minority: majority situation. the situation for hindus is absolutely precarious. if the matter is allowed to drift in this manner, we will have become another nomadic tribe within the next hundred years. ========================== it is a sad fact that sanskrit has mostly become a dead language, and is taught in precious little number of schools. sanskrit scholars have no jobs, and cannot make a living. vedic scholars are mostly in the " eking-out-a -living" condition, and they have been forced to shun the path of " shrouthavyam" for their children. the vedas and upanishads cannot be taught in schools or universities, becuase if done, the so called " secularists" will bring the government to stand still. see, how sad it is that " the VERY MOTHER OF SECULARISM , THE VERY PROGENITOR OF " SARVA DHARMA SAMA BHAVA " is being extradited from its birth-place becuase it is " fundamentalist"-- , can there be a more sadder joke?? most respected ramchandran ji, india's is not a democracy. it is a horrible aberration of the term. india's gift to the world is intellectualism, THE SCIENCE OF THE MIND". and today, the " intellectuals and the "mindful" people do not participate in the democracy in india. the voting percentage is just 55 %. the 45% who stay out of the process, the majority of whom are these " thinking people" , do not care any more. this fact is going to be the ultimate reason for the final decline of the sanatana dharma. sadly yours, a.v.krshnan. --- Benjamin Root <orion777ben wrote: > Namaste Ramji, > > I never got dejected when you rejected > my message. I expected that to happen. > I understand that you are trying to keep > the list pure, and I congratulate you. > You are doing the right thing. > > The only reason I tried to slip that > message in is because I am fascinated > by the political turmoil in India, where > Hindus often seem unwelcome in their > own country, as far as the left and the > intelligentsia are concerned. > > The connection to this list is clear! > It is amazing and absurd that anyone > would want to denigrate Hinduism > in textbooks or in political discourse. > All religions have their problems, and > Hinduism is no exception. But to dwell > on the problems and ignore the > marvelous wisdom of the Upanishads > or the Gita is simply malicious, as far > as I am concerned. > > I think that all students in the world, > not just India, should have some > idea of what Hinduism and Buddhism > are about, and they should realize > that these are some of the highlights > of world civilization. That this kind > of information should be excluded > or distorted in Indian textbooks > should be shocking to all members > of this list. > > Still, this is not the place for political > discussions. You are right in that > respect. > > Hari Om! > Benjamin > > > > advaitin, "Ram Chandran" > <RamChandran@a...> wrote: > > Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin: > > > > The best place to practice 'detachment' is to > operate as a moderator > > of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who > post the messages > > also need to be detached. We should post our > messages also with > > the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed, > some of them get > > rejected, and some of them well received and > appreciated by the > > fellow members. The action of posting a message is > no different from > > actions such as playing a game, doing office work, > or writing an > > examination. When the arrow is released from the > bow, the hunter > > can't control the outcome and that is bottom line > of Gita's message. > > > > As a friend, my advice to you is not to get > dejected or agitated > > when your posting of the letter with an appeal to > the president of > > India got rejected by the moderators! As > moderators, we shouldn't > > get dejected or agitated when some member shows > his/her frustration > > over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can > help both the > > posters and the moderators to free themselves from > agitations and > > frustrations! > > > > Honestly, there are many politically (and also > educationally) > > oriented lists who would love to read the letter > and also take > > appropriate actions to correct the Indian > Educational System. India > > is a democracy and the elected officials do debate > on the issues > > discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free > and interested > > members of this list can always access information > such as your > > letter from various other sources. This list > certainly can't resolve > > all world issues and problems. we want to focus > one and only issue - > > SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has > to spend more than > > a month to educate us on what is real and what is > unreal. Let us > > just postpone our interest on other issues until > we comprehend > > the 'SELF.' > > > > My Warmest regards, > > > > Ram Chandran > > > > advaitin, "Benjamin Root" > <orion777ben> > > wrote: > > > Ah, but my message was rejected with such > > > grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-) > > > > > > Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the > > > WAVES List. It is a recent message > > > posted by Michel Danino. > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Namaste Sri Krishnan: I am sorry to disagree with your statement, "the detachment advised by sri. ramachandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism are where it has reached the dawn of the millenium." First, the "detachment from the fruits of action" is not my advice, but it is infact the advice comes from Gita (Lord Krishna) and the Upanishads. Second, "attachment to wealth, selfish desires, political power, religious fundamentalism, etc.," is the real reaon for the stated conditions of India and Hinduism. Please read the message of Gita carefully (especially the verses of chapter 2, 59-63 and verses 47 and 48) you will be able to appreciate that all our problems were self-created and were caused by indulgence in materialism. We have detached our life from 'spiritualism' and attached to the materistic path of power and comforts. At the paramarthika level, India is not a democracy but at the vyavaharika level India does fulfill the definition of "democracy." Democracy is never accepted as an ideal solution to solving all problems but it is accepted as the least damagin alternative! Though I am as much concerned about the conditions of Hinduism and India like you or Sri Ben, I strongly feel that this list is not the 'right' place for discussing those issues. Let us all follow the list policy and use our 'discriminating intelligence (buddhi)' and avoid falling into the pitfalls of 'attachment.' Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, av krshnan <avkrshnan> wrote: > my dear shri. ben, shri, ramchandran, > the detachment advised by sri. > ramchandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism > are where it has reached at the dawn of the > millennium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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