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Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin:

 

The best place to practice 'detachment' is to operate as a moderator

of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who post the messages

also need to be detached. We should post our messages also with

the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed, some of them get

rejected, and some of them well received and appreciated by the

fellow members. The action of posting a message is no different from

actions such as playing a game, doing office work, or writing an

examination. When the arrow is released from the bow, the hunter

can't control the outcome and that is bottom line of Gita's message.

 

As a friend, my advice to you is not to get dejected or agitated

when your posting of the letter with an appeal to the president of

India got rejected by the moderators! As moderators, we shouldn't

get dejected or agitated when some member shows his/her frustration

over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can help both the

posters and the moderators to free themselves from agitations and

frustrations!

 

Honestly, there are many politically (and also educationally)

oriented lists who would love to read the letter and also take

appropriate actions to correct the Indian Educational System. India

is a democracy and the elected officials do debate on the issues

discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free and interested

members of this list can always access information such as your

letter from various other sources. This list certainly can't resolve

all world issues and problems. we want to focus one and only issue -

SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has to spend more than

a month to educate us on what is real and what is unreal. Let us

just postpone our interest on other issues until we comprehend

the 'SELF.'

 

My Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "Benjamin Root" <orion777ben>

wrote:

> Ah, but my message was rejected with such

> grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-)

>

> Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the

> WAVES List. It is a recent message

> posted by Michel Danino.

>

> Benjamin

>

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Namaste Ramji,

 

I never got dejected when you rejected

my message. I expected that to happen.

I understand that you are trying to keep

the list pure, and I congratulate you.

You are doing the right thing.

 

The only reason I tried to slip that

message in is because I am fascinated

by the political turmoil in India, where

Hindus often seem unwelcome in their

own country, as far as the left and the

intelligentsia are concerned.

 

The connection to this list is clear!

It is amazing and absurd that anyone

would want to denigrate Hinduism

in textbooks or in political discourse.

All religions have their problems, and

Hinduism is no exception. But to dwell

on the problems and ignore the

marvelous wisdom of the Upanishads

or the Gita is simply malicious, as far

as I am concerned.

 

I think that all students in the world,

not just India, should have some

idea of what Hinduism and Buddhism

are about, and they should realize

that these are some of the highlights

of world civilization. That this kind

of information should be excluded

or distorted in Indian textbooks

should be shocking to all members

of this list.

 

Still, this is not the place for political

discussions. You are right in that

respect.

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

 

 

 

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...> wrote:

> Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin:

>

> The best place to practice 'detachment' is to operate as a moderator

> of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who post the messages

> also need to be detached. We should post our messages also with

> the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed, some of them get

> rejected, and some of them well received and appreciated by the

> fellow members. The action of posting a message is no different from

> actions such as playing a game, doing office work, or writing an

> examination. When the arrow is released from the bow, the hunter

> can't control the outcome and that is bottom line of Gita's message.

>

> As a friend, my advice to you is not to get dejected or agitated

> when your posting of the letter with an appeal to the president of

> India got rejected by the moderators! As moderators, we shouldn't

> get dejected or agitated when some member shows his/her frustration

> over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can help both the

> posters and the moderators to free themselves from agitations and

> frustrations!

>

> Honestly, there are many politically (and also educationally)

> oriented lists who would love to read the letter and also take

> appropriate actions to correct the Indian Educational System. India

> is a democracy and the elected officials do debate on the issues

> discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free and interested

> members of this list can always access information such as your

> letter from various other sources. This list certainly can't resolve

> all world issues and problems. we want to focus one and only issue -

> SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has to spend more than

> a month to educate us on what is real and what is unreal. Let us

> just postpone our interest on other issues until we comprehend

> the 'SELF.'

>

> My Warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> advaitin, "Benjamin Root" <orion777ben>

> wrote:

> > Ah, but my message was rejected with such

> > grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-)

> >

> > Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the

> > WAVES List. It is a recent message

> > posted by Michel Danino.

> >

> > Benjamin

> >

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my dear shri. ben, shri, ramchandran,

the detachment advised by sri.

ramchandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism

are where it has reached at the dawn of the

millennium.

look at the indian situation

today:

at the time of independence, the

minority population in india was 8%, and that of

hindus in our westen neighbour was 12%. today the

minority population in india is 22%, and the

population of hindus, sikhs, christians all put

together in our western nation is 1 %.

===========================

 

within india, the " majority" has

become minority in the seven states in the north east

due to systematic and uncontrolled conversions.

in the rest of the country, seven

states are tottering on the brink of becoming

minority states for the hindus. even in kerala, an

egalitarian state preserving most of the traditional

roots of hinduism, hindus are now in a 50: 50

minority: majority situation.

the situation for hindus is

absolutely precarious.

if the matter is allowed to drift

in this manner, we will have become another nomadic

tribe within the next hundred years.

==========================

it is a sad fact that sanskrit has

mostly become a dead language, and is taught in

precious little number of schools. sanskrit scholars

have no jobs, and cannot make a living.

vedic scholars are mostly in the "

eking-out-a -living" condition, and they have been

forced to shun the path of " shrouthavyam" for their

children.

the vedas and upanishads cannot be taught

in schools or universities, becuase if done, the so

called " secularists" will bring the government to

stand still.

see, how sad it is that " the VERY MOTHER

OF SECULARISM , THE VERY PROGENITOR OF " SARVA

DHARMA SAMA BHAVA " is being extradited from its

birth-place becuase it is " fundamentalist"-- , can

there be a more sadder joke??

most respected ramchandran ji,

india's is not a democracy. it is a

horrible aberration of the term.

india's gift to the world is

intellectualism, THE SCIENCE OF THE MIND".

and today, the " intellectuals and the

"mindful" people do not participate in the democracy

in india.

the voting percentage is just 55 %.

the 45% who stay out of the process, the

majority of whom are these " thinking people" , do

not care any more.

this fact is going to be the ultimate

reason for the final decline of the sanatana dharma.

sadly yours,

a.v.krshnan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Benjamin Root <orion777ben wrote:

> Namaste Ramji,

>

> I never got dejected when you rejected

> my message. I expected that to happen.

> I understand that you are trying to keep

> the list pure, and I congratulate you.

> You are doing the right thing.

>

> The only reason I tried to slip that

> message in is because I am fascinated

> by the political turmoil in India, where

> Hindus often seem unwelcome in their

> own country, as far as the left and the

> intelligentsia are concerned.

>

> The connection to this list is clear!

> It is amazing and absurd that anyone

> would want to denigrate Hinduism

> in textbooks or in political discourse.

> All religions have their problems, and

> Hinduism is no exception. But to dwell

> on the problems and ignore the

> marvelous wisdom of the Upanishads

> or the Gita is simply malicious, as far

> as I am concerned.

>

> I think that all students in the world,

> not just India, should have some

> idea of what Hinduism and Buddhism

> are about, and they should realize

> that these are some of the highlights

> of world civilization. That this kind

> of information should be excluded

> or distorted in Indian textbooks

> should be shocking to all members

> of this list.

>

> Still, this is not the place for political

> discussions. You are right in that

> respect.

>

> Hari Om!

> Benjamin

>

>

>

> advaitin, "Ram Chandran"

> <RamChandran@a...> wrote:

> > Namaste Dear Sri Benjamin:

> >

> > The best place to practice 'detachment' is to

> operate as a moderator

> > of a list like advaitin. It is also true those who

> post the messages

> > also need to be detached. We should post our

> messages also with

> > the 'yagna spirit.' Some of them get unnoticed,

> some of them get

> > rejected, and some of them well received and

> appreciated by the

> > fellow members. The action of posting a message is

> no different from

> > actions such as playing a game, doing office work,

> or writing an

> > examination. When the arrow is released from the

> bow, the hunter

> > can't control the outcome and that is bottom line

> of Gita's message.

> >

> > As a friend, my advice to you is not to get

> dejected or agitated

> > when your posting of the letter with an appeal to

> the president of

> > India got rejected by the moderators! As

> moderators, we shouldn't

> > get dejected or agitated when some member shows

> his/her frustration

> > over our ruling. The practice of 'detachment' can

> help both the

> > posters and the moderators to free themselves from

> agitations and

> > frustrations!

> >

> > Honestly, there are many politically (and also

> educationally)

> > oriented lists who would love to read the letter

> and also take

> > appropriate actions to correct the Indian

> Educational System. India

> > is a democracy and the elected officials do debate

> on the issues

> > discussed in the letter. Internet is almost free

> and interested

> > members of this list can always access information

> such as your

> > letter from various other sources. This list

> certainly can't resolve

> > all world issues and problems. we want to focus

> one and only issue -

> > SELF. Even with this focus, Sri Chittaranjan has

> to spend more than

> > a month to educate us on what is real and what is

> unreal. Let us

> > just postpone our interest on other issues until

> we comprehend

> > the 'SELF.'

> >

> > My Warmest regards,

> >

> > Ram Chandran

> >

> > advaitin, "Benjamin Root"

> <orion777ben>

> > wrote:

> > > Ah, but my message was rejected with such

> > > grace and finesse, how can I be miffed? :-)

> > >

> > > Anyhow, I recommend reading it on the

> > > WAVES List. It is a recent message

> > > posted by Michel Danino.

> > >

> > > Benjamin

> > >

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Sri Krishnan:

 

I am sorry to disagree with your statement, "the detachment advised

by sri. ramachandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism are

where it has reached the dawn of the millenium." First,

the "detachment from the fruits of action" is not my advice, but it

is infact the advice comes from Gita (Lord Krishna) and the

Upanishads. Second, "attachment to wealth, selfish desires,

political power, religious fundamentalism, etc.," is the real reaon

for the stated conditions of India and Hinduism. Please read the

message of Gita carefully (especially the verses of chapter 2, 59-63

and verses 47 and 48) you will be able to appreciate that all our

problems were self-created and were caused by indulgence in

materialism. We have detached our life from 'spiritualism' and

attached to the materistic path of power and comforts.

 

At the paramarthika level, India is not a democracy but at the

vyavaharika level India does fulfill the definition of "democracy."

Democracy is never accepted as an ideal solution to solving all

problems but it is accepted as the least damagin alternative!

 

Though I am as much concerned about the conditions of Hinduism and

India like you or Sri Ben, I strongly feel that this list is not

the 'right' place for discussing those issues. Let us all follow the

list policy and use our 'discriminating intelligence (buddhi)' and

avoid falling into the pitfalls of 'attachment.'

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, av krshnan <avkrshnan> wrote:

> my dear shri. ben, shri, ramchandran,

> the detachment advised by sri.

> ramchandran ji is the very reason india and hinduism

> are where it has reached at the dawn of the

> millennium.

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