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'I am' enjoying every word written here. It is enjoyable knowing that all

words (100 percent) have relative meanings. The meaning too is a collection of

words. Here and now words dissolve in the joy. Consciousness is the reflected

awareness of Bramhan and THAT awareness is playing the game of words through

illusions (ie consciousness, mind, logic, philosophy, words and apparent

meanings). When consciousness attains the waking state, the first powerful

illusion of

'I am' appears. The Bramhan is a name for the master of all illusions.Yet

everyone is right from where one is. A word for this is Vyavaharik Drishti, and

that various visions (dristi) appear as the play of illusion to the Bramhan.

Maya is that unknowable force which strings all momentary visions (dristi) and

makes this to appear as an apparent dynamic world. All of us are awareness of

the Bramhan who is enjoying the human experience.

Please enjjjoy the beauty of words here with this understanding. Every moment

each word is a festival of joy. Myth, Mithya....all included.

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ISubj: Re: Mithya - myth or ,,,,,,,,,,,something else? 

MN prabhuji:

Do you accept the statement "The world, as it really is, is Brahman

alone"?

bhaskar :

which world do you want me to accept as brahman that is my simple query to

you :-))  should I call this world (waking??!!) is real & brahman or should

I call my dream world which is as real as waking world when I am dreaming

is real & brahman...what happens to both these brahmans when I am in deep

sleep??  if the world is brahman what makes its absence in my deep sleep??

If brahman is the ONLY reality why should I prefix & suffix it by the word

world is brahman, mAya is brahman etc.etc.??  As said earlier reality

should be existed unchanged & without any intermission.  The waking & dream

world cannot meet this requirement.  Either brahman also should have the

dependent existence to call everything brahman or reality should be

uninterrupted for ever without getting swayed by time & space...which one

of the definition you want me take as final say.

 

MN prabhuji:

Your posts in the past have given the impression that you are

unwilling to accept this Truth.  Your current post has confirmed it.

 

bhaskar :

Yes, as far as possible I clarified my stand on reality based on

avasthAtraya prakriya.

 

MN prabhuji:

You are right you have never rejected the world from vyAvahArika

drishti. You can't afford to do that because you are very much in the

vyAvahArika playing roles.  I am no exception.

 

bhaskar :

thanks for accepting it.  Atleast now you can say I am not throwing world

to the dustbin in vyavahAra :-))

 

MN prabhuji:

The question that now remains to be answered is if you do accept that

the world, as it really is, is Brahman alone - a statement supported

by shAstrA?

 

bhaskar :

AGain which world you are talking here prabhuji??  shruti gives same status

to both vishwa & taijasa (saptAnga yEkOnaviMshati mukhaH --see mAndukya

shruti).  Kindly let me know which world should I accept as brahman & why??

 

MN prabhuji:

Kindly note that the word world or universe encompasses all the seen -

all objectified phenomena - including dreams, thoughts, concepts,

ideas etc.  So, it is the sum of all externalizations and

internalizations through waking, dream states etc.  Also, please

don't call miTyA unreal.

 

bhaskar :

prabhuji can you tell me whether in our avastha there is world or in world

we are having avastha-s??  which is the more appropriate word in english

for mithyA prabhuji??

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

=====================================================Subj:

Sunder-ji writes...

 

(Please let me disclaim any such attribute you have so

generously conferred! I only act as a librarian/resource person for

the list.)

 

Classic Understatement .

 

A man of few words but when He speaks , pearls copme out of our

Sunder-ji's sri mukham ( mouth)

 

over the past few months, i have learned so much from our Sunderji.

He has his Guru's GRACE And Devi's Kataksham ( the divine mother's

infinite grace) ... He is twice blessed! 

 

now, sunder-ji , i am royally confused...

 

what does *Mithya* mean?

 

1) unreal

 

2) false

 

3) dream

 

4) maYa

 

5) illusion

 

6) myth

 

7) fiction

 

8) untrue

 

ETC....

 

How come this has become such a 'complex' issue?

 

Maybe, JAGAT IS NOT MITYA? WILL THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

 

SINCE EVERYTHING IS BRAHMAN WHICH INCLUDES JAGAT AS WELL, WHY NOT

ADMIT THAT JAGAT IS 'REAL' AS IT IS 'BRAHMAN' AND SINCE bRAHMAN ALONE

IS REAL ALL ELSE IS REAL .... THE ONLY UNREAL THING IS ALL THESE

INVOLVED DISCUSSIONS LEADING TO 'NO MAN'S LAND' ? .... i think , it

is time to move on.... from the unreal to the real... the next topic-

Greg GoOdde's  hOW TO PRACTICE VEDANTA IN REAL LIFE?

 

regards

 

ps in tamizh, there is a saying when a cat closes its eyes , it

thinks the whole world is asleep !! maybe we vedantins can close our

eyes and dream that the World is Real!!!!!! smiles!!!! 

 

 

Namaste Atmachaitanya-ji,

 

           Please let me disclaim any such attribute you have so

generously conferred! I only act as a librarian/resource person for

the list.

 

           My reading is very simple: mithyA is satya + anRita, what

one negates is the anRita part, not the whole, of the world.

 

           For a Jivanmukta's exposition of Advaita, one can meditate

on this dialogue with Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati (Sringeri

Mathadhipati 1912-1954):

 

http://www.srisharada.com/QA/Advaita.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

advaitin, "atmachaitanya" <atmachaitanya>

wrote:

>

>      As one of the  sanskrit authorities on this site, I respectfully

> would like to point out that one must be carefull about taking any

> english translations as accurately conveying Shankara's doctrines.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-... Meaning of Mithya = In Vain.... Final post..... on this day! 

8/17/2004 5:34:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time

adi_shakthi16

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advaitin

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well , Dear all!!

 

The real meaning of Mithya is " IN VAIN"

 

Read these verses from Amritavani....

 

Mohak Mantar Ati Madhur,

Ram Ram Jup Dhyan;

Hota Teeno Lok Mein,

Ram Naam Gun Gaan."

 

With rapt attention repeat

sweetest, enchanting Word ;

Praises of Name, Ram-Ram,

through-out Three Worlds are heard

 

**********************************************************************

Mithya Man Kalpit Mat-Jaal,

Mithya Hai Moh Kumad Baitaal.

Mithya Mun Mukhiya Manoraaj,

Sachha Hai Ram Naam Jup Kaaj.

 

In-vain philosophies and religions,

In-vain attachment to mind-made regions,

Mind's flights and heights are all in-vain,

Worth-while alone-repeat the Name !

 

**********************************************************************

Mithya Hai Vaad Vivaad Virodh,

Mithya Hai Vair Ninda Hath Krodh.

Mithya Droh Durgan Dukh Khaan,

Ram Naam Jap Satya Nidhaan.

 

Of what avail discussion, debate,

Of what avail enmity and hate ;

Ill will, ill words, to what measure ?

Repeat the Name-th' truest treasure.

 

**********************************************************************

Satya Mulak Hai Rachna Saari,

Sarv Satya Prabhu Ram Paisari.

Beej Se Taru Makri Se Taar,

Hua Tyon Ram Se Jug Vistaar.

 

All things created are real and true,

The one pervades them through and through;

>From seed a tree, from spider thread,

>From God this world, thus is spread.

 

**********************************************************************

 

Vishva Vraksh Ka Ram Hai Mool,

Usko Tu Prani Kabhi Na Bhool.

Sans Sans Se Simar Sujaan,

Ram Ram Prabhu Ram Mahaan.

 

The world's a tree, Ram is the root,

O man ! never forget this truth,

And breathe with every breath His Name,

Almighty is He, Blessed His Name,

 

 

**********************************************************************

 

Lai Utpati Paalana Roop,

Shakti Chetna Anand Swaroop.

Aadi Ant Aur Madhya Hai Ram,

Ashray Sharan Hai Ram Vishram.

 

Creator, care-taker, consumer is Ram,

Omni-potent Highest Bliss is Ram ;

Ram is Origin, the End and Middle,

To restless Rest, key to life's riddle.

 

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SO, HERE IS THE ANSWER PRABHU-JI ....

 

all else is  "in vain" (mithya)

 

Raam naam alone is 'real'

 

He is the world !

 

so, prabhu-ji, on this beautiful tTuesday, let us all be like rama

bhakta Hanuman and take Lord Rama's name and cross this ocean of

samsara!

 

Jai Raam ! Jai Jai Sita Raam!

 

Jai Bajrang Bali Ki!

 

http://www.sriramsharnam.org/english/9ae.htm - 9k - Cached

 

 

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