NOT TO THINK

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Namaste!

 

Can all of you share with us how can we NOT think, that is not to alllow any

wave at all emerge from our mind?

 

My reverence to all of you,

 

Sincerely,

 

Henry

 

 

 

 

 

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Namste Henryji.

 

The only way to accomplish the feat you have in mind is to know that

you are not the one thinking. The "I think" thought or "thinkership"

is the only obstacle. Just sit back, ask questions and analyze. Do

thoughts occur to you because you think? If yes, when did you think

your first thought and how did you order it to appear? Thoughts

appear on your mental screen just like the things of the world appear

before your eyes. If you didn't make the world, you didn't think

your thoughts too. They are just there. Be yourself despite them -

be they waves or tsunamis. Be the One not tainted by "thinkership",

which you already are but know not. Thoughts will then exit leaving

you alone without your vain efforts to banish them. The only problem

now is that you think that you are thinking. You are assuming the

role of a 'thinker' and enjoying it too, when in truth you are not

the one thinking.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, HENRY ALZAMORA <aparokshdo>

wrote:

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> Can all of you share with us how can we NOT think, that is not to

alllow any wave at all emerge from our mind?...........

[Guest guest]

Namaste Madathi:

 

Thank you, iam concerned cause vrittis arises to influence the Chitta and i was

wondering if the term 'nirodaha' as it's also means 'contrary' represented

thpughts like emerging bubbles that you dont allow them to grow at all, but

your explanation is not that deep or clear to me,

 

Henry

 

Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote:

Namste Henryji.

 

The only way to accomplish the feat you have in mind is to know that

you are not the one thinking. The "I think" thought or "thinkership"

is the only obstacle. Just sit back, ask questions and analyze. Do

thoughts occur to you because you think? If yes, when did you think

your first thought and how did you order it to appear? Thoughts

appear on your mental screen just like the things of the world appear

before your eyes. If you didn't make the world, you didn't think

your thoughts too. They are just there. Be yourself despite them -

be they waves or tsunamis. Be the One not tainted by "thinkership",

which you already are but know not. Thoughts will then exit leaving

you alone without your vain efforts to banish them. The only problem

now is that you think that you are thinking. You are assuming the

role of a 'thinker' and enjoying it too, when in truth you are not

the one thinking.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

________________

 

advaitin, HENRY ALZAMORA

wrote:

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> Can all of you share with us how can we NOT think, that is not to

alllow any wave at all emerge from our mind?...........

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

hello all,

 

henry, i am so sorry, i shall make only a very short comment on the

thot stopping process - it is extremely elaborate. but the crux is to

basically find the reason for their emergence and to stop that. "the

reason thots emerge is coz, there is divided consciousness." - i think

buddhism and advaita agree on this. to put it in terms understood by

laymen like u and i, they r there bcoz of past deeds. (past deeds r

not the same as divided consciousness - pls don't get confused, im not

talking about consciousness wrt the standpoint of non-philosophers.

the whole idea of consciousness is screwed up. thats why i shall look

at our viewpoint, without all that crap)

 

the only way one can do away with thots is to observe their nature and

understand their origin. their nature u would see r never about the

present, but only of past and future. thots fall into the category of

kalpa. that is why meditation on objects that we may think of

(although is not condemned) is pure imagination and only falls under

kalpana. once their origin becomes clearer, the path to liberation

unfolds itself. again, pls dont start thinking that stopping thots

will liberate u. it will not. but its the best starting point, to

acquire the true element of liberation - prajnA (knowledge of the

truth - knowledge that is clearly visible).

 

finally, nobody can do this for u. u will hv to do it urself. if there

were any other way to liberation other than first bringing the mind

under control and then the development of wisdom - prajnA, ppl would

have done it. i don't know of any person calling himself enlightened,

while still having an agitated mind, unless he is a rogue.

 

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im so sorry greg, im running out of time to write about my sadhana -

if that's what u wanted all of us to do. but i think u might be fairly

clear about it already - but there r always the ones who (want to)

misunderstand it. pls don't give way to that.

 

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i know vaishnavites say that prajnA or knowledge will not lead to

liberation, but their arguements r based on philosophical grammar and

not on common sense and wisdom - this is my understanding. having said

this however, if anyone wishes to drag me into a debate, i accept

defeat rightaway - boss, im sorry to hv let u think im even worthy of

debate. my opinions r reserved 4 my own purpose and i do not wish to

impose them upon others.

 

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regarding so many articles written on detailed puja steps etc., i get

sickened when ppl become ritualistic about this. bhakti need not be

expressed in steps. think of shishu krishna. the love and cuddling u

would shower on him - show the same love and compassion for all other

beings. why is this bhakti (love) limited to god only? hwever i will

not discourage ppl from following any steps. they r free to do so. the

point attacked is only the dogmatic attachment that we hindus in

general hv for this approach.

 

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all rituals already being meaningless lose even the leftover

importance when bhakti is not performed out of one's true love. it

gets nasty esp. if done out of need for help. sometimes, looking at

the state of polity, i wonder if anything positive cud happen for my

country. but later i tell myself that in a country where gods r bribed

and they even accept such bribe, what to talk of ordinary men? an act

of puja performed for fulfilment of gains is equivalent to bribing!

 

-Balaji

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Dear Shri Henry,

 

Some contemplations on NOT THINKING......

 

advaitin, HENRY ALZAMORA <aparokshdo>

wrote:

> Can all of you share with us how can we NOT think, that is

> not to allow any wave at all emerge from our mind?

 

 

To achieve 'not thinking' is quite simple. We do it regularly when we

go to sleep. In deep sleep, there is no thought and no wave. But that

is not the answer, isn't it? The question is not really about not

thinking, but about not having the propensity (or need) to think.

 

Thinking is restlessness of the soul just as the ocean-wave is

restlessness of the ocean. Deep down in the inactivity of sleep is

the potency for restlessness. For sleep is the potency for thought.

Wakefulness is the dissolving of this potency in the Light of

Knowledge. We are actually asleep all the time. Sleep lies beneath

our experience of this world. It is this sleep that is to be treated

for removing the fever of restlessness.

 

We can achieve a temporary state of thoughtlessness by the practise

of yoga. But jnyana is not a state, and therefore the state of

thoughtlessness achieved through yoga is thoughtlessness just like

the thoughtlessness of deep sleep. It is merely the driving of the

wave to subside for a while.

 

Thought is associated with breath. They are two aspects of one and

the same thing. Breath is the grosser form of prana, the current of

consciousness that manifests as the 'life' animating the body.

Thoughtlessness can be achieved by control of breath because it is

the control of the life-current of thought. But the stillness of such

control is temporary and the wave that has subsided will rise again.

To achieve true stillness, the very potency for thought must be

dissolved. That can only be in the wakefulness of Knowledge.

 

Thought can be eliminated by wakefulness. Yet our normal experience

is contrary to this -- we do thinking when we are awake and we don't

do thinking when we are in deep sleep. But truly the day of

the 'normal' man is the night of the wise man. What we call

wakefulness is built on the sleep of avidya. True wakefulness is the

Knowledge of the Witness beyond sleep. It is the Light in which the

darkness of sleep is dissolved. There is nothing lacking in that

Knowledge – for it is full, purnam - and hence there is no need for

It to think for there is nothing lacking that It should have to think

about. It is the vision of fullness. Have we not all seen the

contented smile of a child when she sleeps with a toy in her hand? In

her sleep, she doesn't see or feel the toy, but she enjoys the bliss

of knowing that she has the toy in her hands. When we know that the

Self is purnam, what is there to think about? What yesterday will I

rue about, or what tomorrow will I long for, when there is always

here the fullness of plenitude? For everything is here, now,

eternally. I rest peacefully in the contentment of that Knowledge.

NOT THINKING is wakefulness to the fullness of Self.

 

 

Warm regards,

Chittaranjan

[Guest guest]

Dear Naik:

 

Namaste!

 

Thank you for your answer. As Vivekananda said samadhi is in analogy with deep

sleep with the main difference when we wake up we have that knowledge and we

KNOW THAT as we Realize THAT conversely when we wake up from a deep sleep we are

the same and worst even more ignorant..; its just a matter of self effort

otherwise there will not be NOT THINKING, il est Yoga practice: sadhana etc etc.

I am concerned on this subject cause this is the main root of all this leela

that by the way i certainly do not understand why God has this leela, i do not

want to believe this is just for God's solely fun!

 

My humble pronams,

 

Henry

 

n Naik <chittaranjan_naik wrote:

Dear Shri Henry,

 

Some contemplations on NOT THINKING......

 

advaitin, HENRY ALZAMORA

wrote:

> Can all of you share with us how can we NOT think, that is

> not to allow any wave at all emerge from our mind?

 

 

To achieve 'not thinking' is quite simple.