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namaste sri.jayaram,

here is one of my earlier posts in

this regard.

a.v.krshnan.

 

 

 

--- av krshnan <avkrshnan wrote:

> Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:56:08 +0100 (BST)

> av krshnan <avkrshnan

> Re: On Karma Yoga and apologies

> Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik

>

> most respected shri. chittaranjan ji,

> you have compounded my

> apachaaram

> by making YOU apologise to me.

> i am indeed sorry i have caused

> this to happen.

> with your kind permission, i

> would

> now like to reopen my stated views on "

> karmanya

> eva adhikarasate------". [ the views are not

> mine,as

> you will see]

> ============================

>

> like never before in its history

> of

> a million years of sanatana dharma, hinduism is now

> under extreme threat. in the last 50 years after

> independence, the proportion of hindus in india has

> decreased alarmingly. the north east is beyond

> redemption. soon it will reach zero % hindus. that

> has

> been the scale of success of the concerted and

> rabid

> conversions there.

> the ratio of hindus:minorities is

> hovering on the 50: 50 brink in six other

> states.chhattisgarh has gone the north east way. it

> was 50:50 in kerala after the last census. we wd

> have

> reached minority status by now, in kerala.

> tamil nadu had been preaching the

> DK-DMK ism for fifty yrs now.

> of the land mass, 70 % of the land

> mass and real estate is in the hands of 30% of the

> minoroties. most of the wealth and cash flow is

> with

> the minorities.

> =====================================

> when aadi shankara took up cudgels

> to

> restore sanatana dharma, the competing faiths were

> all

> sister-religions of hinduism, mainly budhhism and

> jainism, which are no more than branches of the

> tree

> of hinduism. they too are dharmic. the yuddham was

> dharma yudhham.

> the situation is comprehensively

> different today. the two faiths vying with each

> other

> to gobble up india are both products of a totally

> different philosophy[ rather, they are yet to

> develop

> any philosophy!!!].

> it is open war, grossly ADHARMIC,

> with the " secular"government solidly behind the

> aliens.

> ==============================

> seeing this situation developing,

> decades ago, our swamijis and gurus felt the need

> for

> a comprehensive " text" on hinduism.

> as you know, the other faiths all

> have

> a very handy, diary size " black book" which is

> every

> thing for them, and in secular india, this book is

> memorised by every child and adult of those faiths.

> and our vedas , upanishds and

> scriptures are being given to us thro the

> interpretations of macaulay, max mueller and other

> western " masters". we have been made to be ashamed

> of our own heritage. as you have seen during the

> last

> six years, the govt is absolutely impotent if it

> wants to revive the almost dead sanskrit, or to

> teach

> the vedas, sastras and upanishads in the regular

> curricula.

> our children clear 12 yrs of schooling, 4

> to

> 6 yrs of college without ever getting a whiff of

> what

> our faith is. remember, our families are becoming

> unitary too at break-neck speed. so there are no

> more

> grand parents and grand uncles to fill the vacuum.

> ================================

> as i said, decades ago, seeing this

> situation

> developing, our acharyas beginning with

> vivekanada,sivananda, dayanada,chinmayananda,

> prabhupada and others arrived at the idea of having

> bhagavad gita as a " secular"ly acceptable " handy

> book" for the hindus.

> ==============================

> you will readily agree with me that bhagavad

> gita cannot be a common man's " black book" on our

> dharma. BG is distilled philosophy. philosophy of

> the

> highest order. no other work on philosophy can come

> anywhere near it in contents , reach, and

> interpretations. it is sublime, inimitable.

> such a grand , concise thesis on the loftiness

> of the human mind cannot be used as a basic text

> book

> on our vast dharmic edifice which is additionally

> coated with endless layers of rust and solidified

> moss

> gathered over eons of time.

> [ as a matter of fact, BG is the only work that

> is prescribed as a "must read" and practice text

> for the sannyaasies. they have no other " karma" to

>

> " perform" other than reading the BG daily.]

> =================================

> on a scale of intellectual evolution, say,

> of

> 100, if you are at a level of 90 , and i am at a

> level

> of abt 01, the common hindu on the streets is

> somewhere at minus 10 to minus 50.

> for this common hindu, what the BG says is

> very simply " do your duty without expecting any

> returns".

> " karmayevaashikarasthe

> maa phaleshu kadaachana ".

> just imagine countering the uncontrolled

> conversionists who promise the uninitiated

> innocenti

> that " you follow our god, and presto, you get the

>

> bounties of whatever you can ask!!".

> ==============================

>

> it is in this context that SWAMI DAYANANDA

> SARASWATI has clarified thus..

> according to the interpretation of swami

> dayananda, lord krishna has not said that you

> should

> perform your actions without expecting anything

> in return.

> what krishna has said is that

> " you have CONTROL only over what you do.

> you have NO CONTROL over the returns

> thereon".

>

> " karmanya eva ADHIKAARA HA,

> TE [THAT ADHIKAARAM]

> MAA PHALESHU KADACHANA."

>

> the interpretation would then become :

> you do you duty.

> you can do that as you wish.

> but, remember.

> it is i who will control the fruits

> thereon.

> who knows, the returns may be

> hundred-fold!!!

>

> ===================================

>

> AS you have so rightly pointed out to your

> reply to my mail, krishna himself qualifies this

> statement in the following sections of BG. you

> and

> i can very well understand HIS intentions, and we

> will continue to perform our actions in the

> serene

> contentment that HE knows what, how , when, and how

> much returns we deserve.

> but for this common , rudderless man on the

> street, chased by unprincipled " child

> catchers"---?

> and "cattle chasers"??----.

> ==========================

>

> as an aside to this, we do need a concise "

> practice book " on hinduism for the sake of our

> gen-next who have not even a whiff of what our

> religion stands for!

> RENEWING MY APOLOGIES,

> respectfully yours,

> a.v.krshnan.

>

--- Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik

> wrote:

> > Dear Shri Krishnanji,

> >

> > You have nothing to be apologetic about. You saw

> > something amiss in

> > what I said, and I would have liked to know what

> it

> > was. But it is

> > okay, let the matter rest.

> >

> > Perhaps, my words were spoken in a pontifical

> manner

> > which might not

> > have been to your liking. I am aware that this is

> a

> > failing of mine.

> > Maybe it is my pride that comes across like that.

> My

> > apologies if I

> > offended you by seeming to talk with undue

> authority

> > on the topic.

> >

> > Pranams,

> > Chittaranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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