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Hello to all,

 

A few words to described myself? In reality I have none...

 

Maybe a picture

http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/tree.htm

 

It's true I have a body!

http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/humanbody/index.htm

 

But even then in Presence of the Self, the body is no more then a cloud trying

to caress the deepness of space.

 

Yet I bug sometimes when individuals condemn life as Evil before having

exhausted its possibilities for a higher development, like says Lama Anagarika

Govinda, <<before having penetrated to an understanding of its universal aspect,

and before having realized the highest qualities of consciousness in the

attainment of enlightenment, the noblest fruit and ultimate fulfillment of all

existence, such an attitude is not only presumptuous and unreasonable, but

utterly foolish. It can only be compared to the attitude of an ignorant man who,

after examining an unripe fruit, declares it uneatable and throws it away,

instead of giving it time to mature.

Only one who has reached that supra-individual state of Perfect Enlightenment

can renounce 'individuality'. Those, however, who only suppress their

sense-activities and natural functions of life, before they even have tried to

make the right use of them, will not become saints but merely petrified. A

saintliness, which is built merely on negative virtues, merely on avoidance and

escape, may impress the crowd and may be taken as proof of self-control and

spiritual strength; however, it will lead only to spiritual self-annihilation,

but not to Enlightenment. It is the way of stagnation, of spiritual death. It is

the liberation from suffering at the price of life and of the potential spark of

Illumination within us. >>

 

Who Am I? Is not a question I can answer. I am simply,

 

Antoine

 

"All spiritual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our

Original Source."

>From The Essential teachings of Ramana Maharshi, A visual Journey.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/maharshi.htm

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Antoine Carré <antoine.carre@s...>

wrote:

>

> Hello to all,

>

> A few words to described myself? In reality I have none...

>

> Maybe a picture

> http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/tree.htm

>

> It's true I have a body!

> http://www3.sympatico.ca/antoine.carre/humanbody/index.htm

>

> But even then in Presence of the Self, the body is no more then a

cloud trying to caress the deepness of space.

>

> Yet I bug sometimes when individuals condemn life as Evil before

having exhausted its possibilities for a higher development, like

says Lama Anagarika Govinda, <<before having penetrated to an

understanding of its universal aspect, and before having realized

the highest qualities of consciousness in the attainment of

enlightenment, the noblest fruit and ultimate fulfillment of all

existence, such an attitude is not only presumptuous and

unreasonable, but utterly foolish. It can only be compared to the

attitude of an ignorant man who, after examining an unripe fruit,

declares it uneatable and throws it away, instead of giving it time

to mature.

> Only one who has reached that supra-individual state of Perfect

Enlightenment can renounce 'individuality'. Those, however, who only

suppress their sense-activities and natural functions of life,

before they even have tried to make the right use of them, will not

become saints but merely petrified. A saintliness, which is built

merely on negative virtues, merely on avoidance and escape, may

impress the crowd and may be taken as proof of self-control and

spiritual strength; however, it will lead only to spiritual self-

annihilation, but not to Enlightenment. It is the way of stagnation,

of spiritual death. It is the liberation from suffering at the price

of life and of the potential spark of Illumination within us. >>

>

> Who Am I? Is not a question I can answer. I am simply,

>

> Antoine

 

Namaste Antoine,

 

Welcome here, I see you posted this on Harsha;

 

It seems to me this type of Buddhistic Thought or Mahayana is a

little more to the Bon Po. I say this for it doesn't really negate

the senses 'neti neti' or even pratyahara or withdrawal. It seems

somewhat similar to Osho and his Tantra which worked on the same

premise of exhaustion of desires, and experiencing.

 

In Vedanta it is more likely to teach that pouring any oil on the

fire only increases the desire. For one cannot be a little

bit 'Liberated'. The Bhodhisattva Path ends in Non-Moksha, for there

is still the idea to take rebirth and help. Even the Buddha's

Vipassana is not like these Tibetean teachings. I am not saying they

are wrong, but they are not Advaita in philosophy.

If one could give up all attachment to the senses as an infant it

would be better than experiencing any of them. They are like heroin,

one shot and your hooked.

 

In Vedanta, apart from Tantra, the most similar path would be

Bhakti, however the love is directed at the source not the results,

as experiencing senses.

 

This type of Tibetan teaching always seemed to be an excuse for

enjoying rather than rising above. It reminds me of what Saint

Augustine said in one tongue in cheek teaching. 'Lord give the grace

to give up my desires, but not just yet.' paraphrased.

 

I'm not saying right or wrong, just that it isn't Advaita or most

Vedanta.............ONS...Tony.

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Ohm:

 

Who am I?

 

This simple atma vichara was the essence of Sri.Raman Maharishi the great

saint lived in ThiruAnnamalai, visit this weblink for wealth of his

teachings; http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/

 

Also do visit these divine weblinks , http://www.agasthiar.org/ in english

and

http://www.agnisiksha.org/ in Tamil .

 

Divine Nithya Karma messages with karmic solutions are updated daily in

Tamil.

 

Both sites are from Sri La Sri Lobha Matha Agsathiar Ashram, Thiru

Annamalai, Tamilnadu, India.

 

ohm,

Rama

 

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"Tony OClery" <aoclery

<advaitin>

Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:23 PM

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