Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 I have heard Bhagwat Gita cassettes sung by Anup Jalota and translated by Pt Vinod Sharma in Hindi. The most blissful experience is "Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya" and ofcourse the spiritual knowledge. However, based on my little previous spiritual knowledge, I find some portions of Gita contradictory. Maybe it is a translation error or a deeper meaning. What is "Jeevatma" ? Atma/Spirit cannot enter a material body. That is an impossibility. I will give my background a little bit. This is what I have read in Mary Baker Eddy's book Science and Health : "Matter is an error of statement. An error in the premise, leads to error in the conclusion of every statement into which enters." How do I reconcile Gita with the above statement ? thanks, Advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 What is "Jeevatma" ? Atma/Spirit cannot enter a material body. That is an impossibility. praNAms Hare Krishna > Why, is mahAkAsh not *entering* ghatAkAsha when you identify space in the pot?? All pervading Atman's entry in the body is just like that. when you get rid of the nAma rUpa upAdhi (dEhAtma buddhi) what remains is mahAkAsha/Atman only which is one without second. I will give my background a little bit. This is what I have read in Mary Baker Eddy's book Science and Health : "Matter is an error of statement. An error in the premise, leads to error in the conclusion of every statement into which enters." > Yes, according to advaita, the mind which is saying matter is an error is also an error (avidyAkruta upAdhi) & that which is objectifying both mind & matter is the real. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Bhaskarji Namaskar, Please explain your comment below. What do you mean by objectifying both ? Spirit is beyond objects, it is infinite mind/consciousness. thanks. bhaskar.yr wrote: that which is objectifying both mind & matter is the real. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 praNAms Hare Krishna Atman being always vishayi(subject), at any point of time it will not become vishaya (object). Objectification & perception of anAtma vastu is due to avidyA. Hence in advaita pramEya vastu does not have its own existence. Mind is not infinite it has only notional existence in jIva bhAva. You dont have waking mind in dream, neither waking mind nor dreaming mind in deep sleep state. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 No, Mind is infinite since mind is God and the so called mortal/material mind or brain is an unreality. To me the following words are synonyms : Mind, God, Spirit, Soul, Consciousness What I am unsure about is the difference between these 2 #1 - All is Mind and ideas of Mind. There is nothing material, everything is an idea of Mind and that Mind is infinite. #2 - All is Mind as stated in Advaita Maybe somebody you can enlighten me here. > Mind is not infinite it has only notional > existence in jIva > bhAva. You dont have waking mind in dream, neither > waking mind nor > dreaming mind in deep sleep state. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Hari OM! Dear all, If the teaching is wrong, there will be several schools of thoughts , this notion of matter and universe is one of them. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:05:33 -0000, mahadevadvaita <mahadevadvaita wrote: > > > I have heard Bhagwat Gita cassettes sung by Anup Jalota and > translated by Pt Vinod Sharma in Hindi. The most blissful experience > is "Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya" and ofcourse the spiritual > knowledge. However, based on my little previous spiritual knowledge, > I find some portions of Gita contradictory. Maybe it is a translation > error or a deeper meaning. What is "Jeevatma" ? Atma/Spirit cannot > enter a material body. That is an impossibility. I will give my > background a little bit. This is what I have read in Mary Baker > Eddy's book Science and Health : > > "Matter is an error of statement. An error in the premise, leads to > error in the conclusion of every statement into which enters." > > How do I reconcile Gita with the above statement ? > > thanks, > Advaitin > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 I agree with you namasivayam --- ABC12 XYZ34 <mahadevadvaita wrote: > No, Mind is infinite since mind is God and the so > called mortal/material mind or brain is an > unreality. > To me the following words are synonyms : > > Mind, God, Spirit, Soul, Consciousness > > What I am unsure about is the difference between > these > 2 > #1 - All is Mind and ideas of Mind. There is nothing > material, everything is an idea of Mind and that > Mind > is infinite. > > #2 - All is Mind as stated in Advaita > > Maybe somebody you can enlighten me here. > > > Mind is not infinite it has only notional > > existence in jIva > > bhAva. You dont have waking mind in dream, > neither > > waking mind nor > > dreaming mind in deep sleep state. > > > > > > > > > Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 praNAms Hare Krishna No, Mind is infinite since mind is God and the so called mortal/material mind or brain is an unreality. > if you call the mind in that sense I've no objection...but the term mind has been used in shankara siddhAnta differently. But mind means vikalpa, I dont know how does this label suit to nirvikalpa parabrahman. Mind & other limited adjuncts get light from IT to work. Anyway it is my understanding. To me the following words are synonyms : Mind, God, Spirit, Soul, Consciousness > No problem with this prabhuji. yEkam sat viprA badhudA vadanti. > your doubts with regard to # 1 & 2 may be addressed by those who adopt realistic approach to shankara siddhAnta in a better way. Only thing I can say here is *All is mind & ideas of mind* is a vijnyAna vAda theory...but shankara empirically accepts mAya satkArya vAda. Kindly refer shankara's kArikA bhAshya. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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