Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Namaskar !! Please ponder over this. As I said earlier, I have very little knowledge of Advaita Vedanta but would like to learn it. I want to ask all Advaitins a simple question. Do you go see a doctor when your erroneous misnamed mind or brain tells you something is wrong with some part of the so called material body ? Do you entertain the testimony of the material senses in this particular case ? Based on what I hear, I would like to share something with you. thanks, Advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 advaitin, ABC12 XYZ34 <mahadevadvaita> wrote: > Namaskar !! > Please ponder over this. As I said earlier, I have > very little knowledge of Advaita Vedanta but would > like to learn it. I want to ask all Advaitins a simple > question. Do you go see a doctor when your erroneous > misnamed mind or brain tells you something is wrong > with some part of the so called material body ? Do > you entertain the testimony of the material senses in > this particular case ? Based on what I hear, I would > like to share something with you. > > thanks, > Advaitin Namaste,A, Very simply Sankara said the world is real whilst one is in it. So if we posit a certain validity to the creation, we have to interact so. Our view should be that it is all a projection or appearance of the 'Self'. Another point is that due to prarabda karma everything is predetermined to the action takes place anyway. For action and reaction take place at the same time. Our attitude seems to be the only variable.........Even that may be karmic. These are things to ponder and hints to the unreality of it all..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 advaitin, ABC12 XYZ34 <mahadevadvaita> wrote: > Namaskar !! > Please ponder over this. As I said earlier, I have > very little knowledge of Advaita Vedanta but would > like to learn it. Namaste, All newcomers should study this Dialogue thoroughly: http://www.advaitin.com/advaitadialogue.pdf (by Prof. V. Krishnamurthy) Regards, List Moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dear Mahadevadvaita, An advaitin goes to the doctor. He would explain it as follows: Something going wrong with the body, and Mind or brain cells noticing it are happenings which take place at a 'phenomenal plane'. The advaitin's going to the doctor is also at 'phenomenal plane'. At the absolute plane nothing is happening. Just as things appear to happen at dream plane, but in reality nothing is happening. A legend will clarify this: A great advaitin (?Shri Shankara) was travelling with his disciples. Suddenly an elephant charged towards them. The master started running away from the elephant. In due time when the danger was averted he joined his disciples. A disciple asked him, 'Sir, if the elephant is Maya (delusion) why did you run away from him?' The master answered ' As the elephant is Maya, my running away is also Maya'. With best regards Ravi ABC12 XYZ34 advaitin Friday, October 29, 2004 10:44 PM Question for all Advaitins Namaskar !! Please ponder over this. As I said earlier, I have very little knowledge of Advaita Vedanta but would like to learn it. I want to ask all Advaitins a simple question. Do you go see a doctor when your erroneous misnamed mind or brain tells you something is wrong with some part of the so called material body ? Do you entertain the testimony of the material senses in this particular case ? Based on what I hear, I would like to share something with you. thanks, Advaitin Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Sponsor Will you help a needy child? · It only costs .60¢ a day · It's easier than you think. · Click here to meet a waiting child you can sponsor now. Links advaitin/ b.. advaitin c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 --- Ravi Shivde <shivde wrote: > Dear Mahadevadvaita, > > An advaitin goes to the doctor. He would explain it > as follows: > > Something going wrong with the body, and Mind or > brain cells noticing it are happenings which take > place at a 'phenomenal plane'. The advaitin's going > to the doctor is also at 'phenomenal plane'. At the > absolute plane nothing is happening. Just as things > appear to happen at dream plane, but in reality > nothing is happening. Raviji, Thanks for the response. I think Shankaracharya talked about removing a thorn with another thorn. When the material senses inform you that something is wrong with the body, you can reject it with the same material mind on the basis of the allness of the Atma. If Atma is all, is there any room or any space for disease or illness ? No. Is the infinite really infinite or did he leave some room for diseases and medicines ? No he is infinite. If you go with this argument, you will be healed and won't need to see the doctor. Believe me, this works and is being used by thousands all over the world. This system/philosophy was written by an American lady in the late 19th century. Her teachings are pretty close to Advaita in my opinion. If you are curious, I can give you more information.If you think what I am saying is nonsense then ignore this email. best regards, A seeker Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Namaste Dear Mahadevadvaita. I am asking this quite earnestly and sincerely. You said: QUOTE "When the material senses inform you that something is wrong with the body, you can reject it with the same material mind on the basis of the allness of the Atma. If Atma is all, is there any room or any space for disease or illness ? No. Is the infinite really infinite or did he leave some room for diseases and medicines ? No he is infinite. If you go with this argument, you will be healed and won't need to see the doctor. Believe me, this works and is being used by thousands all over the world. This system/philosophy was written by an American lady in the late 19th century." UNQUOTE Can't we apply this rule to your writing all this here? I mean can't you reject your questions, doubts and even the urge to express yourself with the same material mind on the basis of the allness of Atma? If you are sure the American lady's system works, then your doubts will also be cleared if they are simply rejected. Or, where are doubts, diseases, the American Lady and who is there to reject them in the allness of Atma? Despite this understanding, your asking questions here is glaringly evident to all of us. We advaitins, therefore, cannot afford to sit back and say the questions and doubts are rejected in the allness of Atma. We do try to answer to the best of our ability and, in doing so, we are rejecting the American lady's approach. We also go to doctors and hospitals when something goes wrong with the body. That is all part of the game for us. We don't reject diseases and medicine. I recommend that you please read Prof. Krishnamurthyji's advaita dialogue recommended by the Moderators. I am sure the difference between advaita and the American Lady's system will be clear to you then. PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Namaste Dear Mahadevadvaita. Namaskar ! Please see embedded responses. best regards, Seeker. > > I am asking this quite earnestly and sincerely. You > said: > I understand and I did not read sarcasm in your response, nor was my intention to prove the superiority of one system over another. > Can't we apply this rule to your writing all this > here? I mean can't > you reject your questions, doubts and even the urge > to express > yourself with the same material mind on the basis of > the allness of > Atma? If you are sure the American lady's system > works, then your > doubts will also be cleared if they are simply > rejected. Or, where > are doubts, diseases, the American Lady and who is > there to reject > them in the allness of Atma? If you take it to that extent, then you can reject Advaita too since it came from a mortal being. I was just trying to point out that somebody in the western world came up with a similar philosophy (ofcourse much much later than Shankar) and it is used by thousands all over the world. If I tell you now that there are thousands of cases of healing based on this (including broken bones fixed) you will probably not believe it and that is fine. > > Despite this understanding, your asking questions > here is glaringly > evident to all of us. We advaitins, therefore, > cannot afford to sit When you say "We advaitins", are you assuming that I am not one ? Thats where we differ I think. One last time, I will quote a small passage from her book and let you decide if it is same as Advaita or different. Please read it. QUOTE "There is no life, truth, intelligence, sense nor substance in matter. All His infinite mind and his infinite manifestations, for God is all in all. Spirit is the immortal truth, matter is the mortal error. Spirit is the real and eternal, matter is the unreal and temporal. Spirit is God and man is his image and likeness, therefore man is not material, he is spiritual. Life is God, good and not evil of any kind. Soul is sinless, not to be found in body. Spirit is not and cannot be materialized. The spiritual and real man has no birth, no material life and no death. UNQUOTE > back and say the questions and doubts are rejected > in the allness of > Atma. We do try to answer to the best of our > ability and, in doing > so, we are rejecting the American lady's approach. > We also go to > doctors and hospitals when something goes wrong with > the body. That > is all part of the game for us. We don't reject > diseases and > medicine. > > I recommend that you please read Prof. > Krishnamurthyji's advaita > dialogue recommended by the Moderators. I am sure > the difference > between advaita and the American Lady's system will > be clear to you I printed it today and will read it. > then. > > PraNAms. > > Madathil Nair > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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