Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Namaste, Since I am referring to Karma, obviously I am talking about the material plane of existence. Krishna says that he who sees inaction in action and action in inaction is the wise man. We should offer the results of all actions back to society, country, God since we did not bring anything to this world. How will the poor, the needy, the hungry, the homeless, the famine stricken, the jobless follow this path ? Is this path only for a fortunate few ? Who will teach self-knowledge and spirituality to these people ? How will they attain Moksha ? The other way to look at it is that if the haves do their part sincerely, it will help alleviate the state of the have-nots and improve society. I would appreciate a response from the more enlightened folks. thanks for your patience, Shailendra Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Namaste Shailendraji. My two cents are in . Shailendraji wrote: > Krishna > says that he who sees inaction in action and action > in inaction is the wise man. We should offer the > results of all actions back to society, country, God > since we did not bring anything to this world. How > will the poor, the needy, the hungry, the homeless, > the famine stricken, the jobless follow this path ? > Is this path only for a fortunate few ? Who will teach > self-knowledge and spirituality to these people ? How > will they attain Moksha ? [The verse in question had been discussed here before. Please see my post # 24433. Others have also commented on it in detail. You can see their views if you follow the thread. Both the rich and poor can do what Krishna advised. Your questions perhaps arise from a misunderstanding of karma yoga. Please read Sw. Dayananda Saraswathi in posts # 4692 to 4698 and see if your doubts still persist.] Shailendraji continued: >The other way to look at it > is that if the haves do their part sincerely, it will > help alleviate the state of the have-nots and improve > society. I would appreciate a response from the more > enlightened folks. [unless the so-called 'haves' understand themselves, they won't be able to be of any help to anybody. How can one who thinks that he is bound free another one from imagined bondage? I should be full before I can think of filling others. Then I don't have to fill at all. My fullness fills spontaneously. That is the differnece between spirituality and socialistic altruism. Your concern fo destitute humanity, I am afraid, belongs to the latter category.] PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Namaste Madathilji Though I haven't been through the references quoted, I thooroughly enjoyed the simplicity and directness with which you present the right perspective. No wonder we hear, ever so often, saints telling us that the biggest favor we can do to 'suffering' humanity is to find out who we are first. Leaves me with another thought. We could have a series on 'beginners- questions' or 'questions from silent members' where it should be stipulated that the answers or responses be provided in not more than 3 lines and preferably without quotes. Many namaskarams to all Sridhar advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair> wrote: > > Namaste Shailendraji. > > My two cents are in . > > Shailendraji wrote: > > Krishna > > says that he who sees inaction in action and action > > in inaction is the wise man. We should offer the > > results of all actions back to society, country, God > > since we did not bring anything to this world. How > > will the poor, the needy, the hungry, the homeless, > > the famine stricken, the jobless follow this path ? > > Is this path only for a fortunate few ? Who will teach > > self-knowledge and spirituality to these people ? How > > will they attain Moksha ? > > [The verse in question had been discussed here before. Please see my > post # 24433. Others have also commented on it in detail. You can > see their views if you follow the thread. Both the rich and poor can > do what Krishna advised. Your questions perhaps arise from a > misunderstanding of karma yoga. Please read Sw. Dayananda Saraswathi > in posts # 4692 to 4698 and see if your doubts still persist.] > > Shailendraji continued: > > >The other way to look at it > > is that if the haves do their part sincerely, it will > > help alleviate the state of the have-nots and improve > > society. I would appreciate a response from the more > > enlightened folks. > > [unless the so-called 'haves' understand themselves, they won't be > able to be of any help to anybody. How can one who thinks that he is > bound free another one from imagined bondage? I should be full > before I can think of filling others. Then I don't have to fill at > all. My fullness fills spontaneously. That is the differnece > between spirituality and socialistic altruism. Your concern fo > destitute humanity, I am afraid, belongs to the latter category.] > > PraNAms. > > Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Nairji, Thanks for responding to my email. I will read the threads you have pointed me to. By the way, I was'nt thinking about socialism when I wrote this email but was guided by the translation I heard on the Gita audio cassette. Perhaps, I should read Mahadev Alladi Sastryji's translation of Bhagwan Shankaracharya's commentary on Gita. regards, Shailendra > > Namaste Shailendraji. > > My two cents are in . > > Shailendraji wrote: > > Krishna > > says that he who sees inaction in action and > action > > in inaction is the wise man. We should offer the > > results of all actions back to society, country, > God > > since we did not bring anything to this world. How > > will the poor, the needy, the hungry, the > homeless, > > the famine stricken, the jobless follow this path > ? > > Is this path only for a fortunate few ? Who will > teach > > self-knowledge and spirituality to these people ? > How > > will they attain Moksha ? > > [The verse in question had been discussed here > before. Please see my > post # 24433. Others have also commented on it in > detail. You can > see their views if you follow the thread. Both the > rich and poor can > do what Krishna advised. Your questions perhaps > arise from a > misunderstanding of karma yoga. Please read Sw. > Dayananda Saraswathi > in posts # 4692 to 4698 and see if your doubts still > persist.] > > Shailendraji continued: > > >The other way to look at it > > is that if the haves do their part sincerely, it > will > > help alleviate the state of the have-nots and > improve > > society. I would appreciate a response from the > more > > enlightened folks. > > [unless the so-called 'haves' understand themselves, > they won't be > able to be of any help to anybody. How can one who > thinks that he is > bound free another one from imagined bondage? I > should be full > before I can think of filling others. Then I don't > have to fill at > all. My fullness fills spontaneously. That is the > differnece > between spirituality and socialistic altruism. Your > concern fo > destitute humanity, I am afraid, belongs to the > latter category.] > > PraNAms. > > Madathil Nair > > > > Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 advaitin, Shailendra Bhatnagar <bhatnagar_shailendra> wrote: > > ? How > will they attain Moksha ? The other way to look at it > is that if the haves do their part sincerely, it will > help alleviate the state of the have-nots and improve > society. I would appreciate a response from the more > enlightened folks. > > thanks for your patience, > Shailendra > > Namasthe Shri Shailendra Ji! Its an excellant and thought provoking thought.... One of the ways that I follow is whenever I get a chance , i share many such feelings of godliness..(ie..the law of karma and its fruits and how to attain moksha ) with my servants who i feel are better than me in many ways and i also in turn learn from them... regards.. jayshree > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 <<We could have a series on 'beginners- questions' or 'questions from silent members' where it should be stipulated that the answers or responses be provided in not more than 3 lines and preferably without quotes.>> Excellent idea, Sridhar-ji, and I agree - very clear and appropriate response from Sri Nair. Best wishes, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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