Ajata

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Namaste All,

 

Could someone post some references to Sankara's teaching on Ajata,

as per Ramana's teaching?..........ONS..Tony.

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>From my understanding:

 

To say the least - ajaata vaada- itself is a contradiction in terms.

That which is not born need no explanation or vaada - it is exactly

similar to accounting vandhyaa putraH. If it is ajaata (not born) but

appears to be there - then that appetence is born - then that appearance

is no more ajaata - then one needs an explanation for the appearance -

If that appearance is only apparent and not real, then we need further

explanations - one for the apparent, one for the substantive of the

apparent, and the third for relation between the two. If the apparent is

real, then the apparent itself is the substantive of the apparent and it

should not be called any more 'as apparent' and ajaata takes the meaning

that it has no beginning and therefore no end and hence eternally real.

 

Contradiction in the ajaata vaada is inherent in the system that is

being analyzed - the non-existence (real) of the apparent and

non-appearance of the real - the substantive- that which is non-existent

is taken as existent and that which is existent is taken as non-existent

and that is the very nature of the maaya. When the emphasis is on the

non-existence or reality to the appearances then the vada takes the form

of ajaata vaada. Goudapaada does not have to write karika for the

non-existent if ajaata vaada is what it is taken as - what he is

negating is only the reality to the appearances - while vivarta vaada

the emphasis is, if from the point of substantive which is real, how the

real appears to be transiently real or unreal, depending on how one

looks at it.

 

Parinaama vaada – is completely different – These are transformations in

the thermodynamic sense.

 

 

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What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort.

Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only

the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda

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advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada> wrote:

> From my understanding:

>

> To say the least - ajaata vaada- itself is a contradiction in

terms.

> That which is not born need no explanation or vaada - it is exactly

> similar to accounting vandhyaa putraH. If it is ajaata (not born)

but

 

Namaste,S,

 

http://www.presentnonexistence.com/transcripts/ajata.htm

 

ONS...Tony.