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advaitin, "frank maiello" <egodust>

wrote:

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> harIH OM! tony-ji,

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Namaste Frank-ji,

 

I have written a complete commentary on GThomas .............

 

.... http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Jesusbook/IntrodJesus.htm

 

With regard to Ajatavada and what you say about Zen, Ch'n or

whatever; I don't believe for one moment that Ajatavada is just a

tool as you imply. As I am not educated in the philosophies I cannot

keep up with you on your obtuse reasoning and vocabulary, however to

me Ajatavada is based on one simple idea.

 

The Sages say that on bodiless Moksha the world disappears, we have

a hint of this in deep sleep. So there cannot be Nirguna Brahman

with no idea of world and another with an idea of world, so it

cannot have ever happened at all.

 

There are various stages on the way and teachers like Sankara and

Ramana usually didn't dwell on Ajata or there would be nothing to

teach. Also the capacity and inclination of their audience was not

to believe in Ajata or at least dwell on it. So Ramana essentially

taught as far as 'The Self', or the concept of Sakti or Saguna,

knowing full well anyone realising that level also realised the

whole level if level is the right word. Iswara knows he is Saguna

and Nirguna or rather only Nirguna. Just words and concepts there in

only Brahman..................ONS..........Tony.

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hariH OM! tony-ji,

 

as i mentioned in the last post, i could very well be wrong.

 

namaste,

frank

 

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advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote:

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> With regard to Ajatavada and what you say about Zen, Ch'n or

> whatever; I don't believe for one moment that Ajatavada is just a

> tool as you imply.