Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Thanks Alan. That is the essence of the beauty of the teaching. What will the Self meditate on? It is Always Self-Abiding. That is why the ancients called it "One without a second." I am reminded of a story. Has anyone heard it? Aristotle said that God is Perfect. Therefore whatever God thinks about or focuses on must be Perfect as well. Certainly the Perfect One will not focus on imperfection. But since there is only One Perfection and That is God, it follows that God's essential nature must be Self-Abiding or God-Abiding. So God is constantly and continuously only meditating on God, there being nothing else. I heard that when I was in college and it seemed to me very Advaitic. Is it a true story about Aristotle. Perhaps Greg Goode would know. Will pass it on to HS and Advatin. Love to all, Harsha _____ Alan Jacobs [alanadamsjacobs] Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:35 AM ramana maharshi Cc: atma vichara [RamanaMaharshi] From Conscious Immortality ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Practice of Meditation Q: Is there a time of day which is better for meditation? M: Yes, meditation in the early morning upon arising is the best time because the mind is then free of thoughts, cares and worries. But all these rules regarding hours of meditation etc, are only for beginners. There will come a time when you will say, "I have given up meditation," because then you will have realized that the idea implies duality: the person who meditates, and the object of meditation; you will perceive the standpoint of the true Self which does not need to meditate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From the book, "Conscious Immortality" by Paul Brunton and Munagala Venkataramiah, published by Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hey Harsha, I'll look around this evening a bit for an Aristotle quote that supports this. Can't think of anything off the top of my head... --Greg At 04:10 PM 12/9/2004 -0500, Harsha wrote: >Thanks Alan. That is the essence of the beauty of the teaching. What will >the Self meditate on? It is Always Self-Abiding. > >That is why the ancients called it "One without a second." > > > >I am reminded of a story. Has anyone heard it? Aristotle said that God is >Perfect. Therefore whatever God thinks about or focuses on must be Perfect >as well. Certainly the Perfect One will not focus on imperfection. But >since there is only One Perfection and That is God, it follows that God's >essential nature must be Self-Abiding or God-Abiding. So God is constantly >and continuously only meditating on God, there being nothing else. > > > >I heard that when I was in college and it seemed to me very Advaitic. Is it >a true story about Aristotle. Perhaps Greg Goode would know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dear Miles: Thank you. I will pass this on to HS and Advaitin. Love to all Harsha _____ Miles [miles.wright] Friday, December 10, 2004 7:00 AM RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] From Conscious Immortality om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Harsha, Aristotle's teleological argument comes to mind. e.g. "God and nature do nothing in vain." Aristotle believed that a form, with the exception of the Prime Mover, or God, had no separate existence, but rather was immanent in matter. Thus, in the Aristotelian system, form and matter together constitute concrete individual realities; the Platonic system holds that a concrete reality partakes of a form (the ideal) but does not embody it. Aristotle believed that form caused matter to move and defined motion as the process by which the potentiality of matter (the thing itself) became the actuality of form (motion itself). He held that the Prime Mover alone was pure form and as the ³unmoved mover² and final cause was the goal of all motion. (The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.) Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. Kind Regards, Miles _____ * . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 > Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. > > Kind Regards, > Miles And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct? That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the Unmoved Mover he created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 lordofthemystic wrote: > > > Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Miles > > > And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct? > That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the Unmoved > Mover he created. And what is Aristotle, other than your own mental construct? That being the case, your mental activity exceeds both the Unmoved Mover and Aristotle. Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 advaitin, Harsha wrote: > lordofthemystic wrote: > > > > > > Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Miles > > > > > > And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct? > > That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the Unmoved > > Mover he created. > > And what is Aristotle, other than your own mental construct? > That being the case, your mental activity exceeds both the Unmoved Mover > and Aristotle. > Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top! Don't I always! I AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 advaitin, "lordofthemystic" <lordofthemystic> wrote: > > > and Aristotle. > > Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top! > > Don't I always! I AM Namaste, It is interesting that you are bagging Aristotle but cannot get beyond 'I am'..........We are all containers of a kind. A full bucket cannot understand a full pond, or a pond a sea etc.......ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitin, "lordofthemystic" > <lordofthemystic> wrote: > > > > > and Aristotle. > > > Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top! > > > > Don't I always! I AM > > Namaste, > > It is interesting that you are bagging Aristotle but cannot get > beyond 'I am'..........We are all containers of a kind. A full > bucket cannot understand a full pond, or a pond a sea > etc.......ONS..Tony. You must come to realize that Aristotle never was, I AM. Where is there beyond I AM? Enlighten me brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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