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Thanks Alan. That is the essence of the beauty of the teaching. What will

the Self meditate on? It is Always Self-Abiding.

 

That is why the ancients called it "One without a second."

 

 

 

I am reminded of a story. Has anyone heard it? Aristotle said that God is

Perfect. Therefore whatever God thinks about or focuses on must be Perfect

as well. Certainly the Perfect One will not focus on imperfection. But

since there is only One Perfection and That is God, it follows that God's

essential nature must be Self-Abiding or God-Abiding. So God is constantly

and continuously only meditating on God, there being nothing else.

 

 

 

I heard that when I was in college and it seemed to me very Advaitic. Is it

a true story about Aristotle. Perhaps Greg Goode would know.

 

 

 

Will pass it on to HS and Advatin.

 

 

 

Love to all,

 

Harsha

 

 

 

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Alan Jacobs [alanadamsjacobs]

Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:35 AM

ramana maharshi

Cc: atma vichara

[RamanaMaharshi] From Conscious Immortality

 

 

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The Practice of Meditation

 

Q: Is there a time of day which is better for meditation?

 

M: Yes, meditation in the early morning upon arising is the best time

because the mind is then free of thoughts, cares and worries.

But all these rules regarding hours of meditation etc, are only for

beginners. There will come a time when you will say, "I have given up

meditation," because then you will have realized that the idea implies

duality: the person who meditates, and the object of meditation; you will

perceive the standpoint of the true Self which does not need to meditate.

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From the book, "Conscious Immortality" by Paul Brunton and Munagala

Venkataramiah, published by Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Harsha,

 

I'll look around this evening a bit for an Aristotle quote that supports this.

Can't think of anything off the top of my head...

 

--Greg

 

At 04:10 PM 12/9/2004 -0500, Harsha wrote:

>Thanks Alan. That is the essence of the beauty of the teaching. What will

>the Self meditate on? It is Always Self-Abiding.

>

>That is why the ancients called it "One without a second."

>

>

>

>I am reminded of a story. Has anyone heard it? Aristotle said that God is

>Perfect. Therefore whatever God thinks about or focuses on must be Perfect

>as well. Certainly the Perfect One will not focus on imperfection. But

>since there is only One Perfection and That is God, it follows that God's

>essential nature must be Self-Abiding or God-Abiding. So God is constantly

>and continuously only meditating on God, there being nothing else.

>

>

>

>I heard that when I was in college and it seemed to me very Advaitic. Is it

>a true story about Aristotle. Perhaps Greg Goode would know.

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Dear Miles:

 

 

 

Thank you. I will pass this on to HS and Advaitin.

 

 

 

Love to all

 

Harsha

 

 

 

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Miles [miles.wright]

Friday, December 10, 2004 7:00 AM

RamanaMaharshi

Re: [RamanaMaharshi] From Conscious Immortality

 

 

 

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

 

Dear Harsha,

 

Aristotle's teleological argument comes to mind. e.g. "God and nature do

nothing in vain."

 

Aristotle believed that a form, with the exception of the Prime Mover, or

God, had no separate existence, but rather was immanent in matter. Thus, in

the Aristotelian system, form and matter together constitute concrete

individual realities; the Platonic system holds that a concrete reality

partakes of a form (the ideal) but does not embody it. Aristotle believed

that form caused matter to move and defined motion as the process by which

the potentiality of matter (the thing itself) became the actuality of form

(motion itself). He held that the Prime Mover alone was pure form and as the

³unmoved mover² and final cause was the goal of all motion. (The Columbia

Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.)

 

 

Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. :)

 

Kind Regards,

Miles

 

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* .

 

 

 

 

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> Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. :)

>

> Kind Regards,

> Miles

 

 

And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct?

That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the Unmoved

Mover he created.

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lordofthemystic wrote:

>

> > Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. :)

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> > Miles

>

>

> And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct?

> That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the Unmoved

> Mover he created.

 

And what is Aristotle, other than your own mental construct?

That being the case, your mental activity exceeds both the Unmoved Mover

and Aristotle.

Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top!

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advaitin, Harsha wrote:

> lordofthemystic wrote:

>

> >

> > > Aristotle concluded that God was the Unmoved Mover. :)

> > >

> > > Kind Regards,

> > > Miles

> >

> >

> > And what is 'God', otherthan Aristotle's own mental construct?

> > That being the case, Aristotle's mental activity exceeds the

Unmoved

> > Mover he created.

>

> And what is Aristotle, other than your own mental construct?

> That being the case, your mental activity exceeds both the Unmoved

Mover

> and Aristotle.

> Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top!

 

Don't I always! I AM

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advaitin, "lordofthemystic"

<lordofthemystic> wrote:

>

> > and Aristotle.

> > Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top!

>

> Don't I always! I AM

 

Namaste,

 

It is interesting that you are bagging Aristotle but cannot get

beyond 'I am'..........We are all containers of a kind. A full

bucket cannot understand a full pond, or a pond a sea

etc.......ONS..Tony.

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advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote:

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> advaitin, "lordofthemystic"

> <lordofthemystic> wrote:

> >

> > > and Aristotle.

> > > Congratulations! :-). You come out on the top!

> >

> > Don't I always! I AM

>

> Namaste,

>

> It is interesting that you are bagging Aristotle but cannot get

> beyond 'I am'..........We are all containers of a kind. A full

> bucket cannot understand a full pond, or a pond a sea

> etc.......ONS..Tony.

 

You must come to realize that Aristotle never was, I AM.

Where is there beyond I AM? Enlighten me brother.

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