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I too once got caught up in the interminable

conversation here as to whether or not the

world exists. It's really quite an interesting

question, just from the purely philosophical

point of view.

 

However, I now think that there is another

way of asking the question, which is more

profound, from both a philosophical and

spiritual point of view.

 

Namely, do I exist and IN WHAT SENSE?

 

The reality of the world is only a reflection

or corollary of this more fundamental

question.

 

Anyhow, I have not resumed my taste

for too much discussion, but that is

purely personal, and discussion can

be quite beneficial for others, as it

was for me at one time and may be

again some day.

 

Benjamin

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--- Benjamin Orion <orion777ben wrote:

>

> I too once got caught up in the interminable

> conversation here as to whether or not the

> world exists. It's really quite an interesting

> question, just from the purely philosophical

> point of view.

>

> However, I now think that there is another

> way of asking the question, which is more

> profound, from both a philosophical and

> spiritual point of view.

>

> Namely, do I exist and IN WHAT SENSE? - not by any SENSE of the word!-

since word is thought and unless you believe in 'I think therefore I

am!"

 

Benjamin - Look at the question this way - self-existent cannot ask the

question whether 'I exist"? Since the very questioning presupposes my

existence. Self-existent entity is self-conscious entity.

 

We can only ask whether 'the world exists?" since it is not

self-conscious entity and therefore neither self-existent entity.

 

Unconscious entity is that whose existence depends on something other

than itself - anya adheena prakaashhatvam tat jadam - or anya adheena

satvatvam tat jadam- Whose illumination or whose existence depends on

something other than itself. If you say world is Brahman that Brahman

cannot be separate from me since I am the one who affirming the

existence of the world.

 

Hence your existence is beyond any questions and world existence can be

questionable by you, since it has no existence other than as Brahman

that you are.

 

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

>

> The reality of the world is only a reflection

> or corollary of this more fundamental

> question.

>

> Anyhow, I have not resumed my taste

> for too much discussion, but that is

> purely personal, and discussion can

> be quite beneficial for others, as it

> was for me at one time and may be

> again some day.

>

> Benjamin

>

>

>

>

 

 

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What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort.

Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only

the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda

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advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada> wrote:

>

> --- Benjamin Orion <orion777ben> wrote:

>

> >

> > I too once got caught up in the interminable

> > conversation here as to whether or not the

> > world exists. It's really quite an interesting

> > question, just from the purely philosophical

> > point of view.

> >

> > However, I now think that there is another

> > way of asking the question, which is more

> > profound, from both a philosophical and

> > spiritual point of view.

> >

> > Namely, do I exist and IN WHAT SENSE? - not by any SENSE of the

word!-

> since word is thought and unless you believe in 'I think therefore I

> am!"

>

> Benjamin - Look at the question this way - self-existent cannot ask

the

> question whether 'I exist"? Since the very questioning presupposes

my

> existence.

 

 

Wise response Kuntimaddi Sadananda. I take it that you are a

moderator?

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--- lordofthemystic <lordofthemystic wrote:

 

>

> Wise response Kuntimaddi Sadananda. I take it that you are a

> moderator?

 

 

Yes, by Shree Ramachandra's (Ram Chandran's) Grace! I have a moderate

position!

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

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What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort.

Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only

the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda

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Hi Sadaji,

 

I see you're still here! Thanks for sharing

your comments. Guess I'd better say something...

 

B.

> > However, I now think that there is another

> > way of asking the question, which is more

> > profound, from both a philosophical and

> > spiritual point of view.

> >

> > Namely, do I exist and IN WHAT SENSE?

 

S.

> - not by any SENSE of the word!-

> since word is thought and unless you believe in 'I think

> therefore I am!"

>

> Benjamin - Look at the question this way - self-existent

> cannot ask the question whether 'I exist"? Since the very

> questioning presupposes my existence. Self-existent

> entity is self-conscious entity.

 

Of course I cannot deny that I exist,

for the reason you just said.

 

My point was that after realizing

self-existence, the mind may

place a false boundary around

that existence and call everything

that seems to be outside the

boundary 'the world'.

 

This is the only way that world

comes into existence (apparently).

 

So all the people here who argue

about whether or not the world

exists should first realize that

the question is meaningless

unless we first have a false and

limited sense of self.

 

In science, it is called an 'ill-posed

question'. Not every question can

be answered by yes or no. Some

are ill-posed. That was my point.

 

This is basically what you are

saying and have always said,

since it is the essence of Advaita.

 

Anyhow, I'm glad to see that

you are doing fine and I hope

you enjoy your retirement and

get the chance to devote yourself

completely to Advaita. Maybe

a little Kuchipudi too...

 

(I mean, helping your wife. I

don't think either of us should

attempt Kuchipudi!)

 

Benjamin

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