Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Namaste, how to study....the truth....Brahman....the Self? yes, it's possible to study endless scriptures.... maybe the truth can be found in there... it's also possible to follow the words of some Gurus.... maybe the truth can be heard and realized there...if this Guru is (realy) realized... it's possible to follow the intiutions coming from deep... maybe the path will be the good one.... it's possible to pray to "God".... maybe God will hear the pray.... it's possible to try to be a good person.... maybe God will "see" this... in front of "Brahman" , the truth....we are more or less "qualified" with experiences, diplomas, special knowledge, titles, good hearted do Brahman care about this "qualifications"....? as Brahman IS everything .......we are just like children in front of it....in front of our real Nature.....doesn't matter the qualifications.... we are all equal....in our hearts....which belong since ever to Brahman without Brahman....there would be Nothing....we would not exist so All we are....since ever.....Is Brahman..... yes, it's difficult to admit sometimes that the "qualifications" are mainly there...just to maintain kind of dream.....and have as for example....some funny talk in this Group of Advaitins.... thank you all to be "there"....wherever.....whoever..... the world IS....Brahman.... let's jump into the day....which IS Brahman... let's work with the energy of Brahman....(even if there were never any other energy existing).... Regards with love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > how to study....the truth....Brahman....the Self? > > yes, it's possible to study endless scriptures.... > maybe the truth can be found in there... The Truth can never be found in the Scriptures for the Scriptures are not True themselves. The truth is being and being is the only place to find it. > it's also possible to follow the words of some Gurus.... > maybe the truth can be heard and realized there...if this Guru is > (realy) realized... No Guru can tell you the truth. The realized would never claim to be a Guru. I AM, I am not a Guru. The realization requires Self to become Aware of what it already is. Guru's are book writers and money collectors, like preachers, deluded in the illusion. > > it's possible to follow the intuitions coming from deep... > maybe the path will be the good one.... Yes, Self is being aroused from its slumber. > it's possible to pray to "God".... > maybe God will hear the pray.... Belief in God is superstition. God is nothing more than your own mental construct, that makes you the master. How can you ever realize self believing that there is something more than you? > it's possible to try to be a good person.... > maybe God will "see" this... Better to realize that there is no person, see this and God won't be necessary. > in front of "Brahman" , the truth....we are more or less "qualified" > with experiences, diplomas, special knowledge, titles, good hearted > > do Brahman care about this "qualifications"....? Does Brahman care about Brahman? What is there to care about? > we are just like children in front of > it> > we are all equal....in our hearts....which belong since ever to > Brahman > without Brahman....there would be Nothing....we would not exist > > so All we are....since ever.....Is Brahman..... We is Self madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 _____ lordofthemystic [lordofthemystic] Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:56 PM advaitin Re: to study Brahman advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > how to study....the truth....Brahman....the Self? > > yes, it's possible to study endless scriptures.... > maybe the truth can be found in there... The Truth can never be found in the Scriptures for the Scriptures are not True themselves. **************************************** Dear LOTM: You should read the Advaitin list charter with care and reflect on whether it is consistent with your purpose for being here. Love, Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Well timed and worded, Harshaji. Hope the Lord listens to you and Dr. Yaduji. Madathil Nair _______________ advaitin, "Harsha" wrote: > Dear LOTM: > You should read the Advaitin list charter with care and reflect on whether > it is consistent with your purpose for being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Namaste Dr. Yadu, as i see....you are confused about the message about "to study Brahman". My intention to write such message was not to confuse anybody.... Maybe i didn't took enough attention on the way i expressed what my intiution let me write....i'm sorry for this. as you know...everybody has different opinions concerning "how to BE Brahman...how to Be the Self" i mean that there are different spiritual path and also possibilities...and "practice"...to find out who and what we Are. you wrote: "The Truth can never be found in the Scriptures for the Scriptures > are > > not True themselves. The truth is being and being is the only > place to find it." i agree absolutly with this your words.... you want that i "clarify and enlighten you with the statement" i made concerning the : "possibility to study endless scriptures ...maybe to find the truth in there." by the message i wrote...as a Whole message......i didn't want to say that there is no truth in the scriptures... maybe i wanted to show that there are different ways to come closer to ourSelf...to Brahman....and so, first,....that there is no path or practice better than any other.... and second ..that (this is my personal opinion) it's not necessary to study and "understand" the whole scriptures....to just continue to BE....what we ever have Been....Brahman. you wrote: "If there is no truth in our ancient text then what do propose we do > with them? ...as i told you....i never wrote that there is no truth in the scriptures... it's a great help to have some scriptures....and so, the prove that there were people in the past....who were realized....and wrote about "timeless" truth...... ....to enter in this "without time"....and realize ourself...that this "truth" is valid for endless times....and also can be "felt" and "lived"....here and now. ...i beleive that anybody who is in a "timeless" state of mind....can write and describe the truth...just like the words written in ancient scriptures Maybe most of people who live in "realization"...don't think even that it's necessary to talk about....and so...that it would be necessary for anybody to make special studies. you wrote: "No Guru can tell you the truth. The realized would never claim to > be > > a Guru. I AM, I am not a Guru. The realization requires Self to > > become Aware of what it already is. Guru's are book writers and > money > > collectors, like preachers, deluded in the illusion." ....yes, i agree (as i wrote above)....the realized would never claim to be a Guru... your words concerning this issue explain this in much better way that i do....i'm thankfull for your words. Regards with love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Namaste Marc. Dr. Yaduji was addressing the Lord, not you! Madathill Nair ___________________ advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > Namaste Dr. Yadu, > > as i see....you are confused about the message about "to study > Brahman". > My intention to write such message was not to confuse anybody.... ................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Dear Dr. Yadu and "lordofthemystic", Dr. Yadu, as i see now....maybe you wanted to have some more answer from "lordofthemystic".... indeed...i got confused too about the messages.... so i hope my past message can help you and "lordofthemystic"...to get out too of some confusion.... i agree partly with the statments of "lordofthemystic".... would be nice to get some statements from your part so Dr. Yadu many thanks and sorry about.... Regards with love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Namaste Madathill Nair, thanks.... i should study better the messages... sorry to all with love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Sir, Where and how did you learn about Self and being ? Nobody is born with knowledge of Self ? thanks, Shailendra lordofthemystic <lordofthemystic wrote: The Truth can never be found in the Scriptures for the Scriptures are not True themselves. The truth is being and being is the only place to find it. Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Namaste Sri Lordofthemystic: Your statements below here are subject to misunderstanding because you fail to provide the caveats associated with that statement. To avoid potential misconceptions, they need to be restated with clarifications and explanations. Let me try to restate them and still they may not completely answer all the questions surrounding the "Big Question," about TRUTH. First, as for as I know, the Hindu Scriptures - Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads and Brahmasuutra do not claim that the Truth can be found in those scriptures. On the contrary, they just instruct the reader to turn his/her attention "with in" instead of looking outside for the Truth. Second the sages of the Upanishads and the Gitacharya (Lord Krishna) do not state the "Truth." They just spell out fact 'that truth should be found within' through self-enquiry. Third, faith is an integral part of any self-enquiry. Fundamentally one should "Believe" that "I am the Brahman." With faith, dedication and service, those who believe in the "Self" but can't recognize will be able to do and this is the ultimate reward for that 'faith.' Saint Augustine in his own words state: "faith is believed what we don't see, and its reward to see what we believe." The Hindu scriptures do differentiate between 'faith' and 'blind faith.' With blind faith, there will be no enquiry where as with "true faith" we will begin to enquire 'within.' Fourth, God is the beginning of the "Self-enquiry" and certainly it is not the end in itself! This is the paradox of the study and understanding of the "Brahman." Start with the Saguna Brahman with all the attributes that one can imagine. Then learn to discard one after another until we recognize that the Brahman is "Nirguna - without any attributes.' Most of the failures of the 'study of Brahman' forget and neglect the fundamental starting point - Belief in God (not blind faith but true faith.) I am Brahman is the ultimate reality and it can't be understood by just saying "I am Brahman." The scriptures provide `unwritten lessons' to recognize this fact. Those who live by the 'yagna spirit' by serving the humanity spontaneously and unselfishly can only see the Brahman within. The rule is quite simple: Do everything possible with your body, mind and intellect for the happiness of everyone surrounding you, and then you will be able to recognize the "Brahman" within. The true happiness is possible only when everyone is happy and those who recognize this fact are able to recognize the truth that "I am the Brahman." Warmest regards, Happy Holidays! Ram Chandran advaitin, "lordofthemystic" <lordofthemystic> wrote: > > The Truth can never be found in the Scriptures for the Scriptures are > not True themselves. The truth is being and being is the only place > to find it. > > > it's also possible to follow the words of some Gurus.... > > maybe the truth can be heard and realized there...if this Guru is > > (realy) realized... > > No Guru can tell you the truth. The realized would never claim to be > a Guru. I AM, I am not a Guru. The realization requires Self to > become Aware of what it already is. Guru's are book writers and money > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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