Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Dear friends I am delighted to see your helpful replies and I thank you all for giving me guidance. Here I want to share how I meditate. If you can suggest some better ways then please tell me. I meditate that all this world is full of krishna and every person and being I see is Krishna. and I try to say to myself that i am nobody and only krishna is there. But sometimes the feeling comes that how can krishna be so sad and miserable and at other places how can he be cruel and wicked. Though I literally know that its all maya superposition on brahma but i am not able to convince myself. So what should i do and how should I meditate so that I can realize that all is krishna or brahma. some people say that this world is Lord's play (leela) and He himself is the efficient and material cause of it. so it's just fun for him and that we are just playing with him. so I request you to help me organize my thoughts in meditation and what should be the line in which I should think. Regards Samant Saurabh India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Namaste Sri Saurabh Ananda: More than one thought is the biggest obstacles to meditation. We all try hard to focus our thought on the Ishta Devata - Krishna, Rama, Shiva, Sakthi, Ganesa, Narayana. But our focus is disturbed by the "I thouhgt - Why I am not happy?, Why me? etc., etc." The I thought is the identification thought or the thought of being a separate entity from the Brahaman. Bhagavad Gita's medicine for the cure of " I thought" is to conduct our duties with the yagna spirit - Karma Yoga. By doing our work spontaneously without looking for rewards for our actions, we can cultivate the prasada buddhi. Essentially Karma Yoga is meditation - doing our work without having the thought that "I am the doer." These technical details for attaining "pure meditation" are spelled out clearly in the various chapters of Gita but we are very skeptical about this medicine. Consequently we suffer because we want to be a proud DOER and get ourselves tangled in the ocean of Samsara. In conclusion, the 'I thought' that - "I am the doer; I am a separate entity from the Lord; and I win, lose and suffer" is responsible for the failure of our meditation. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, saurabh ananda <saurabh_ananda> wrote: > > > Dear friends > > I am delighted to see your helpful replies and I thank you all for giving me guidance. Here I want to share how I meditate. If you can suggest some better ways then please tell me. > > I meditate that all this world is full of krishna and every person and being I see is Krishna. and I try to say to myself that i am nobody and only krishna is there. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 the human mind through the senses is too distracted with the objects it experiences in the external world. for the normal man due to this distraction, over the years, he loses touch with his inner self. meditation is nothing but the process of turning away from the external and focusing the mind internally back to its source. thus also the equation between jnaanis and small children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Namaste Saurabh ! I am equally perplexed by Prakriti/Leela but I suggest you read Papaji's interview on realization.org. Constant "Bhagwat Chintan" will develop your ability to be thoughtless without much "effort". When thoughtless, you can draw upon the "infinite reservoir of bliss" (to quote Prof VK). Hari OM ! Shailendra advaitin, saurabh ananda <saurabh_ananda> w > some people say that this world is Lord's play (leela) and He himself is the efficient and material cause of it. so it's just fun for him and that we are just playing with him. > > so I request you to help me organize my thoughts in meditation and what should be the line in which I should think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 List Moderators Note: The message has been edited and only the barest essentials included. Those who wish to pursue this may visit the links given in the message. ============================================================== SIMPLIFIED KUNDALINI YOGA :MY EXPERIENCE Iam 50 now Vedathri Maharishi, who is living in Tamilnadu, India is my GURU. WORLD COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTERS. I joined one of the centers in chennai, Tamilnadu. Hence my Guru had conducted various research on this spiritual field, eventually found a new system of yoga meditation called Simplified Kundalini Yoga. To know more about SKY plz visit www.vethathiri.org Service Center of my Guru: I want to share my experiences with people who are in need of spiritual quest. That is why I have started a group in the and MSN I have presented some of my visuals as drawings and cosmic communication as messages my url spiritualneed/ and http://groups.msn.com/spiritualneed namasivayam --- saurabh ananda <saurabh_ananda wrote: > > > Dear friends > > I am delighted to see your helpful > replies and I thank you all for giving me guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Namaste Samant Saurabh, meditation is a "very fast" waking up....(i remember this definition by Osho...) if your meditation is realy deep....you make direct experience of yourSelf.... the Self has no more "moving mind"...no more thoughts.... you are "absorbed" in your real Self...and by your Self.... ....without "moving mind"....you become what you realy ARE.....and ever have been... as i wrote in the past email concerning meditation....it's necessary to learn a "technique" to enter in meditation.... meditation is not the mind...."imagine something"... i know...it's difficult to concentrate...and to keep on being concentrated.... and also....concentrated on "what"....?... once i learned the "kriya yoga meditation technique"....it's an effectif technique to enter more and more in meditation... Paramahamsa Yogananda used this technique.....and i learned it by my Guru Paramahamsa Hariharananda.....(www.kriya.org) don't worry what "some people" tell..... endless different opinions concerning "what is meditation" and if it's necessary...and so on.... listen to your heart....and if you feel to practice....do it... Regards and love Marc advaitin, saurabh ananda <saurabh_ananda> wrote: > > > Dear friends > > I am delighted to see your helpful replies and I thank you all for giving me guidance. Here I want to share how I meditate. If you can suggest some better ways then please tell me. > > I meditate that all this world is full of krishna and every person and being I see is Krishna. and I try to say to myself that i am nobody and only krishna is there. > > But sometimes the feeling comes that how can krishna be so sad and miserable and at other places how can he be cruel and wicked. > > Though I literally know that its all maya superposition on brahma but i am not able to convince myself. > > So what should i do and how should I meditate so that I can realize that all is krishna or brahma. > > some people say that this world is Lord's play (leela) and He himself is the efficient and material cause of it. so it's just fun for him and that we are just playing with him. > > so I request you to help me organize my thoughts in meditation and what should be the line in which I should think. > > Regards > > Samant Saurabh > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Namaste Dear Saurabh and all, I have been away from the advaitin postings for long and I thought I should catch up. I opened the postings and the first thing that struck me was Saurabh's question on meditation: "How to meditate and arrive at the conviction that all is brahman". Ramchandranji, Dennisji and others have replied appropriately. I would like to add the following for Saurabh's attention. "na kimcid-api cintayet" says the Lord ( Gita VI-25). It means `Don't think about anything'. Recall the vedic passage `yasmAt paraM naaparam-asti kimcit'; and recall the words of the Gita: `mattaH para-taraM nAnyat kimcid-asti dhananjaya'. So "na kimcid-api cintayet" does not mean that you think about the void. It appears therefore that one has to think about the Atman. But it does not make sense to say `Think about the Atman'; for `Atman' is not an object to be thought about. The purport is to say that the thinking process should stop. You be what you are. You are different from your thoughts. Don't be your thoughts. Be yourself. That is the meaning of `na kimcid-api cintayet'. If you are sufficiently patient and just keep watching the thoughts come by and disappear one by one, and if you are careful not to get involved in any of those thoughts, that is what is meant by the usual Vedantic expression: `Be a witness only of your thoughts'. This path-breaking shloka of Krishna says this in the form of a combination of two expressions: `na kimcid-api cintayet' and `Atma- samstham manaH kRtvA'. Resting the mind in the Atman should not be mistaken as implying a physical transposition of something in space of two spatial objects. Atman is everywhere; placing the mind in the Atman simply means recognising only the Atman as present and not the mind. When such a negation of the mind takes place, that is when we are what we are. That is the real `I'. Question: Still the concept of `Not thinking about anything' seems to be an impossibility. How would it ever occur? That is where the artifice of a mantra-japa comes in. It is japa that anchors the mind. It is japa that can prevent the mind from wandering. All ascetics recommend ...... The discussion goes on like this. The above is only an extract from the following web page: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/livehappily_4.html This chapter (Chapter 4) in the book "Live happily the Gita Way" (under publication) attempts to answer some of your elementary questions on meditation. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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