Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 is there an inconsistency when people who claim to believe/follow vedaanta totally oppose/deny the linking of any supernatural power behind the tsunami and the recent tragedy (as well as other tragedies) - especially considering the central position that theories like karma, antarayaamin (inner controller) etc hold in the philosophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Namaste: With our 'infinite ignorance' everything naturally will appear inconsistent! This just shows our natural (spontaneous) reaction to calamities like the recent tragedy. Vedanta provides several means for us to accept the 'fact of life' and the same 'mean' may not necessarily applicable for all occasions! Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > > is there an inconsistency when people who claim to believe/follow > vedaanta totally oppose/deny the linking of any supernatural power > behind the tsunami and the recent tragedy (as well as other > tragedies) - especially considering the central position that > theories like karma, antarayaamin (inner controller) etc hold in the > philosophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Inconsistency is consistent with the 'ignorance'- otherwise it cannot be inconsistent! Taking the apparent as real is manifestation of that inconsistency - otherwise how can one seek happiness out there even knowing that there is no happiness out there. Do you call that ignorant or inconsistent? Otherwise how can one take the death, as the end of life when one knows, that which exists, can never cease to exist? As long as I see the world as separate from me, natural and supernatural powers exist; and one can pray and surrender with meekness of the heart. Otherwise one can rise above the duality and see the play of the duality unperturbed by the duality. That is seeing consistency in the apparent inconsistencies. Hari OM! Sadananda > > advaitin, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > > > > is there an inconsistency when people who claim to believe/follow > > vedaanta totally oppose/deny the linking of any supernatural power > > behind the tsunami and the recent tragedy (as well as other > > tragedies) - especially considering the central position that > > theories like karma, antarayaamin (inner controller) etc hold in > the > > philosophy? > > > > ===== What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort. Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 advaitin, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > > is there an inconsistency when people who claim to believe/follow > vedaanta totally oppose/deny the linking of any supernatural power > behind the tsunami and the recent tragedy (as well as other > tragedies) - especially considering the central position that > theories like karma, antarayaamin (inner controller) etc hold in the > philosophy? namaste. Yes, there is inconsistency. I think, this inconsistency arises because (i) people (who claim to believe/follow vedAnta still cannot get over the intellectual logic of the material sciences as taught to them throughout their life. (ii) karma, antaryAmin etc concepts are unseeable. The concept of karmaphala cannot be seen right away after being responsibe for the karma (action leading to that karmaphala). Thus, karma, karmaphala,- unless one has a deep abiding faith in them, cannot be visualized as cause and effect right away. (iii) Furtrher, it is parameshwari, who in Her great intricate way, in Her role as karmaphalaprada, makes the karmaphala happen. Regards Gummuluru Murthy -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 There was something more than ignorance !! When I read the following I could not resist but to post this here. Because the Tourist $$ Indonesia were placed ahead of the warning. This does sound similar to the movie JAWS when it came to closing the beach. Apologies - This is outside the normal discussions and the scope of this group but the animal story tells us to sharpen our own skills/faculties and may even be the 6th sense. Dr. Yadu ************************* Swedish newspaper: Tsunami warning was stopped http://tinyurl.com/62un4 Source - Expressen (Swedish online newspaper) Date - Dec. 28 Translated by: CLiss http://www.expressen.se/expressen/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=223277 "Tsunami warning was stopped" Just minutes after the earthquake in the Indian Ocean on Sunday morning, Thailand's foremost meterological experts were sitting together in a crisis meeting. But they decided not to warn about the tsunami "out of courtesy to the tourist industry", write the Thailand daily newspaper The Nation. The experts got the news around 8:00 am on Sunday morning local time. An hour later, the first massive wave struck. But the experts started to discuss the economic impacts when they were discussing if a tsunami warning should be made. The main argument against such a warning was that there have not been any floods in 300 years. Also, the experts believed the Indonesian island Sumatra would be a "cushion" for the southern coast of Thailand. The experts also had bad information; they thought the tremor was 8.1. A similar earthquake occurred in the same area in 2002 with no flooding at all. <snip> We finally decided not to do anything because the tourist season was in full swing. The hotels were 100% booked full. What if we issued a warning, which would have led to an evacuation, and nothing had happened. What would be the outcome? The tourist industry would be immediately hurt. Our department would not be able to endure a lawsuit...<snip> - - - - - My only comment here would be that if these experts believed they would hurt the tourist industry by calling out an alarm and it turned out to be false, what do they think will happen to the tourist industry now? Posted by cliss on Tue Dec-28-04 03:41 PM ******************************* ANOTHER INTERESTING STORY ******************************* Where Are All the Dead Animals? Sri Lanka Asks Wed Dec 29, 4:41 AM ET News http://tinyurl.com/6ck5m COLOMBO (Reuters) - Sri Lankan wildlife officials are stunned -- the worst tsunami in memory has killed around 22,000 people along the Indian Ocean island's coast, but they can't find any dead animals. Giant waves washed floodwaters up to 2 miles inland at Yala National Park in the ravaged southeast, Sri Lanka's biggest wildlife reserve and home to hundreds of wild elephants and several leopards. "The strange thing is we haven't recorded any dead animals," H.D. Ratnayake, deputy director of the national Wildlife Department, told Reuters Wednesday. "No elephants are dead, not even a dead hare or rabbit," he added. "I think animals can sense disaster. They have a sixth sense. They know when things are happening." At least 40 tourists, including nine Japanese, were drowned. The tsunami was triggered by an earthquake in the Indian Ocean Sunday, which sent waves up to 15 feet high crashing onto Sri Lanka's southern, eastern and northern seaboard, flooding whole towns and villages, destroying hotels and causing widespread destruction. ***************************** advaitin, "gmurthy_99" <gmurthy@m...> wrote: > > > advaitin, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > > > > is there an inconsistency when people who claim to believe/follow > > vedaanta totally oppose/deny the linking of any supernatural power > > behind the tsunami and the recent tragedy (as well as other > > tragedies) - especially considering the central position that > > theories like karma, antarayaamin (inner controller) etc hold in > the > > philosophy? > > namaste. Yes, there is inconsistency. I think, this inconsistency > arises because > > (i) people (who claim to believe/follow vedAnta still cannot get > over the intellectual logic of the material sciences as taught > to them throughout their life. > > (ii) karma, antaryAmin etc concepts are unseeable. The concept > of karmaphala cannot be seen right away after being responsibe > for the karma (action leading to that karmaphala). Thus, karma, > karmaphala,- unless one has a deep abiding faith in them, > cannot be visualized as cause and effect right away. > > (iii) Furtrher, it is parameshwari, who in Her great intricate > way, in Her role as karmaphalaprada, makes the karmaphala happen. > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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