Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Namaste, Maharshi's cutting of the Gordian knot of dvaita-advaita ! (Talks) –5th ed., 1972 p. 117 "M. : …………When the source of the I-thought is reached it vanishes and what remains over is the Self. D. : Patanjali Yoga Sutras speak of identification. M. : Identification with the Supreme is only the other name for the destruction of the ego." p. 401 "M. : Yogas chitta vritti nirodhaH (Yoga is to check the mind from changing).- which is acceptable to all. That is also the goal of all. The method is chosen according to one's own fitness. The goal for all is the same. Yet different names are given to the goal only to suit the process preliminary to reaching the goal. Bhakti, Yoga, Jnana are all the same. svasvarUpAnusandhAnam bhaktirity abhidhiiyate (Self-contemplation is called bhakti). D> : Does Bhagavan advocate advaita? M. : Dvaita and advaita are relative terms. They are based on the sense of duality. The Self is as it is. There is neither dvaita nor advaita. I AM THAT I AM. Simple Being is the Self.". p. 461-462 "Visitor: What does samyamana mean in Patanjali Yoga Sutra? "M. : One-pointedness of mind. D. By such samyamana in the Heart, chitta samvit is said to result. What does it mean? M.: Chitta samvit is Atma Jnana, i.e. Knowledge of the Self." Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Namaste For a Jnani there is no Pramana, Shastra, Sampradaya, Samanvaya, purvapaksha etc.... He only sees Himself so why is there a need to prove anything him. It is only for the ajnani like me who has to be very clear. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:56:51 -0000, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > > > Namaste, > > Maharshi's cutting of the Gordian knot of dvaita-advaita ! > > (Talks) –5th ed., 1972 > > p. 117 > > "M. : …………When the source of the I-thought is reached it vanishes and > what remains over is the Self. > D. : Patanjali Yoga Sutras speak of identification. > M. : Identification with the Supreme is only the other name for the > destruction of the ego." > > p. 401 > > "M. : Yogas chitta vritti nirodhaH (Yoga is to check the mind from > changing).- which is acceptable to all. That is also the goal of all. > The method is chosen according to one's own fitness. The goal for all > is the same. Yet different names are given to the goal only to suit > the process preliminary to reaching the goal. Bhakti, Yoga, Jnana are > all the same. svasvarUpAnusandhAnam bhaktirity abhidhiiyate > (Self-contemplation is called bhakti). > D> : Does Bhagavan advocate advaita? > M. : Dvaita and advaita are relative terms. They are based on the > sense of duality. The Self is as it is. There is neither dvaita nor > advaita. I AM THAT I AM. Simple Being is the Self.". > > p. 461-462 > > "Visitor: What does samyamana mean in Patanjali Yoga Sutra? > "M. : One-pointedness of mind. > D. By such samyamana in the Heart, chitta samvit is said to result. > What does it mean? > M.: Chitta samvit is Atma Jnana, i.e. Knowledge of the Self." > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Resent - typo error Namaste For a Jnani there is no Pramana, Shastra, Sampradaya, Samanvaya, purvapaksha etc.... He only sees Himself. So why is there a need to prove anything for him. It is only for the ajnani like me who has to be very clear. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:56:51 -0000, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > > > Namaste, > > Maharshi's cutting of the Gordian knot of dvaita-advaita ! > > (Talks) –5th ed., 1972 > > p. 117 > > "M. : …………When the source of the I-thought is reached it vanishes and > what remains over is the Self. > D. : Patanjali Yoga Sutras speak of identification. > M. : Identification with the Supreme is only the other name for the > destruction of the ego." > > p. 401 > > "M. : Yogas chitta vritti nirodhaH (Yoga is to check the mind from > changing).- which is acceptable to all. That is also the goal of all. > The method is chosen according to one's own fitness. The goal for all > is the same. Yet different names are given to the goal only to suit > the process preliminary to reaching the goal. Bhakti, Yoga, Jnana are > all the same. svasvarUpAnusandhAnam bhaktirity abhidhiiyate > (Self-contemplation is called bhakti). > D> : Does Bhagavan advocate advaita? > M. : Dvaita and advaita are relative terms. They are based on the > sense of duality. The Self is as it is. There is neither dvaita nor > advaita. I AM THAT I AM. Simple Being is the Self.". > > p. 461-462 > > "Visitor: What does samyamana mean in Patanjali Yoga Sutra? > "M. : One-pointedness of mind. > D. By such samyamana in the Heart, chitta samvit is said to result. > What does it mean? > M.: Chitta samvit is Atma Jnana, i.e. Knowledge of the Self." > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh> wrote: > D. : Does Bhagavan advocate advaita? > M. : Dvaita and advaita are relative terms. They are based on the > sense of duality. The Self is as it is. There is neither dvaita nor > advaita. I AM THAT I AM. Simple Being is the Self.". in the last analysis, this is all that is required to know. once the long hard road of philosophical-meaphysical inquiry, speculation, conjecture, and introspection is traversed, and the light at the end of that arduous protracted tunnel is seen, the very threshold itself holds the simplest most basic revelation of all: as sri ramana has said--and virtually *all* the jagadgurus distilled teachings also convey--that "simple Being is the Self." as jesus said, "those who have ears, let them hear." love and namaskaar, frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 advaitin, K Kathirasan <brahmasatyam@g...> wrote: > Namaste > > For a Jnani there is no Pramana, Shastra, Sampradaya, Samanvaya, > purvapaksha etc.... He only sees Himself so why is there a need to > prove anything him. It is only for the ajnani like me who has to be > very clear. > > Namaste, Maharshi's answers were in response to questions by an 'ajnani', and He was quite clear about it. When Maharshi Ramana replied samyamana on the heart results in chitta samvit, that is Atma Jnana, there was no ambiguity about it either. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Namaste Sunderji, What I was trying to say was that the burden of methods, precision in teaching etc... may not be there for the Jnani. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:50:21 -0000, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > > > advaitin, K Kathirasan <brahmasatyam@g...> wrote: > > Namaste > > > > For a Jnani there is no Pramana, Shastra, Sampradaya, Samanvaya, > > purvapaksha etc.... He only sees Himself so why is there a need to > > prove anything him. It is only for the ajnani like me who has to be > > very clear. > > > > > Namaste, > > Maharshi's answers were in response to questions by an > 'ajnani', and He was quite clear about it. > > When Maharshi Ramana replied samyamana on the heart results in > chitta samvit, that is Atma Jnana, there was no ambiguity about it either. > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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