Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 praNAm Sri Krishna Ghadiyaram prabhuji Hare Krishna I am taking the liberty to post your mail on Sri DAyananda swamiji's observation on vEdAnta sAra...In the advaitin list we are having the discussion on the place of pAtanjali's asaMprajnathA samAdhi in shankara's advaita vEdanta. Hope this would be of great help to our discussion : Here is Sri Krishna Ghadiyaram prabhuji's mail : // quote // Here is what Svami Dayananda has to say about references to aShtanga yOga steps mentioned in vEdAnta sAra text: ***** If after shravana, manana, nididhyasana fruits of insight of being Brahman is not present, some reorientation may be necessary. For shravana or nididhyasana some disciplined life is required. So samadhi sadhana or any other discipline such as puja etc. can be a updalakshana. Even learning classical music may be good for you. We will use any every thing available. But, it has nothing to do with Vedanta. If primary end is clear, then everything else necessary, you can do. Vedanta has used developments of sAmkhya, mImamsa also. About meditation: Meditation is useless for atma jnanam. Known Atma does nto require meditation and if Atma is not known, there is nothing to meditate. Atma is an object of shravanam. Atma is nirvikalpaH. It is different from nirvikalpa samadhi. nirvikalpa samadhi is not turIya. turIya is your understanding of svarUpa of Atma. shravanam is 'angi' and manana, nididhyasana are 'anga'. With the understanding of Vedanta, you can help yourself with any part, not necessarily all parts, of aShtanta yOga. For Vedanta samadhi is samAhita buddhi. samadhi should be interpreted as per sampradaya only. As per sAmkhya and yOga, atmas are many, and pradhana is separate from chaitanya. It is dual. It is not acceptable to Vedanta. Sankara discussed these topics and refuted their stand. In the vEdAnta sAra book the author has converted the terminology into Vedanta. The savikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa samadhi are nididhyasana only. nirvikalpa samadhi is 'angi' and the eight steps (eigth being savikalpa samadhi) are 'anga'. ***** Svami Dayananda also has explained the above points with reference to the following: ----------- para 109 : tatra savikalpakO nAma jnAtru-jnAnAdi vikalpa laya anapEkshayA advitIya vastuni ... para 197 : nirvikalpakastu jnAtru-jnAnAdi vikalpa laya apEkshayA advitIya vastuni .... refer to 'advitIya vastu' indefining samAdhi, which is not in sync with yOga definition, so these terms have been converted to convey the Vedanta philosophy. similarly, para 206: advitIya vastuni sntarindriya dhAraNam dhAraNa .. refers to advitIya vastu even for dhAraNa ----------- Hope this clarifies. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Srikrishna // unquote // Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Namaste all. Shree Bhaskar Prabhu Ji wrote:- >Even learning classical music may be good for you. >We will use any every thing available. >But, it has nothing to do with Vedanta. Raghava:- The dhwani in the vedas is the source of all music and thus sama-veda originated all music. A google search on "sama veda music" yields interesting links and the following is one such:- http://www.yogaofsrichinmoy.com/yoga/vedasupanishads/ This article also mentions about Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna telling about sama-veda and not other vedas because of it being one's own inner music (rhythm). The article also states that, "If music is taken away from God’s Creation, then it will be an empty Creation". Kind Regards, Raghava ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 praNAms Sri Raghava Kaluri prabhuji Hare Krishna RK prabhuji: Namaste all. Shree Bhaskar Prabhu Ji wrote:->Even learning classical music may be good for you. >We will use any every thing available. >But, it has nothing to do with Vedanta. bhaskar: Infact, above words are not mine, these are Sri Swamy Dayananda's observation as quoted by Sri Krishna Ghadiyaram prabhuji of Advaita-L list. RK prabhuji: The dhwani in the vedas is the source of all music and thus sama-veda originated all music. bhaskar : I am afraid, while listening to the dhwani of sAma, you have ignored the *dhwani* behind swamiji's observation:-)) Swamiji talking here about brahma jignAsa which is the implied quest of whole of vEdAnta..& his assertion is right in this context that music has nothing to do with shAstra jignAsa. Ofcourse, praNavOmkAra is the root cause of all dhwani..& in rAja yOga, they say one can hear the divine music (anAhata nAda) by meditating on anAhata chakra etc. etc. but these things have nothing to do with vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa which is the core teaching of vEdAnta...I think this is what swamiji trying to say us here. Kind Regards, Raghava Humble praNAms onceagain Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Namaste Shree Bhaskar Prabhu ji and praNAms Each time I reply to you post, I wish that I were wrong and so don't have to contradict in front of the knowledge you represent,...but dharma jignasa does not give me an option and hence am compelled to convey in spite of myself. :-) Shree Bhaskar Prabhuji:- >they say one can hear the divine music (anAhata nAda) >by meditating on anAhata chakra etc. etc. but these >things have nothing to do with vivEka pradhAna brahma >jignAsa which is the core teaching of vEdAnta... Raghava:- Prabhuji, core teaching of vEdAnta is not limited to 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' but is an unconditional 'brahma jignAsa'. 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' is just one aspect of it, and there are other types of 'brahma jignAsa', as mentioned in the next sentence. Shree Bhaskar Prabhu Ji:- >Music has nothing to do with shAstra jignAsa. Raghava:- It depends on whether one excludes sAma-vEda from the list of shAstras. We have examples of few saint-musicians such as Thayaga-raja, Syama-sastri etc who achieved brahma- jnanam in this approach, the method which Lord Krishna praised highly in the Srimad Bhagavad Gita...'vedAnAm sAmavEdo...' as the foremost when mentioning the list of best ... Love & Regards, Raghava ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 praNAms Sri Raghava Kaluri prabhuji Hare Krishna RK prabhuji:-Prabhuji, core teaching of vEdAnta is not limited to 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' but is an unconditional 'brahma jignAsa'. 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' is just one aspect of it, and there are other types of 'brahma jignAsa', as mentioned in the next sentence. bhaskar : then, I am afraid, we are not talking about shankara siddhAnta here..jnAna is one & the only means according to shankara...that is the reason why shankara refuted pUrva mImAmsaka-s views, karma-jnAna samucchaya vAdins, bhEdAbhEda vAdins etc...Since we are the student of shankara we should know that *other types* are not in line with saMpradAya of shankara, though it is branded as advaita in modern days!! Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 praNAms Sri Bhaskar prabhuji Reference:- http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m25190.html Raghava:- ....core teaching of vEdAnta is not limited to 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' but is an unconditional 'brahma jignAsa'. 'vivEka pradhAna brahma jignAsa' is just one aspect of it, and there are other types of 'brahma jignAsa', as mentioned in the next sentence. Bhaskar:- ....Since we are the student of shankara we should know that *other types* are not in line with saMpradAya of shankara, though it is branded as advaita in modern days!! Raghava:- Srimad Bhagavadgita 10:22 mentions about sAma vEda and further mentions it among the best. It is hard to believe that this is just a modern-day phenomenon when in 10:22 it clearly stated the position given to sAma-vEda in vEdanta. Further, nArada and tumbura also come in the same lines. P.S. I will be out travelling the next 5 or 6 days...and most likely will not be able to catch up until my return. Love & Regards, Raghava ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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