Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Namaste, I have a few very simple or fundamental questions. If we say X is Self-realized, the question is how do we know that ? I doubt if X will claim that I am Self-realized (I am assuming X would be beyond good, bad, humility, goodness, arrogance, pride or any human quality). I have read the names of several great Swamis on this list. Are they all Self-realized ? I am sure one can benefit immensely by simply meeting such men. (I am not sure if reading their works will have the same affect) I have heard (not read) a lot about Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi and Sri Nisargadatta ( I also read that he eventually died of cancer). In other words, even though a person is Self-realized, he/she will continue with this dream world and its ways . What is the exact nature of Self-realization ? How does the world appear to a Self-realized person ? How does it feel to be in the company of a Self-realized person ? Is it similar to the peace and serenity that one experiences during Satsangh or after Omkar ? I have read in Gita chapter 5 8. "I do nothing at all, " thus would the harmonised knower of Truth think seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, 9. Speaking, letting go, seizing, opening and closing the eyes --- convinced that the senses move among the sense-objects Is this a description of a Self-realized person ? best regards, Shailendra Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Namaste Shailendra, you have a few very interesting questions.... i wish i could answer you on most of the questions.... maybe there will be some "detailed" answer from a "Self-realised" person on this questions... you write: "If we say X is Self-realized, the question is how do we know that ?" ......maybe if X is no more at any moment attached to anything....except to the Self...Brahman....the eternal truth.....which has no origin and end .....no more attached to a limited mind which let appear the "illusion" of a body-mind-intellect...and world maybe this "detachments" let the "Self-realised" person be filled up with endless "Liberation"...."Love"...."Joy"...."Happiness"...."Calmness".. ..."Silence"..... maybe in few "moments" of time...this person can join again and again and again...."cosmic consciousness"........whatever the "situation" he/she is at the moment you write: "I am sure one can benefit immensely by simply meeting such men. (I am not sure if reading their works will have the same affect)" i believe that, indead , the benefit can be immense by a simply meeting of such "men". maybe it's like meeting ourSelf....the real Self..... maybe this "Self-realised" person know endless more about ourself than we could at this time of meeting...... maybe the "Self realised" person know this ....even without much conversation..... no need to "explain" what one "know"....i believe that a "Self- realised" person "see" this....even in "silence". i think most people who once read about their works get the intiution or deep inspiration to meet one of them.... maybe thats the "nature" of Being....to join (Be) one day....the real Self.....and so, also meet with oneSelf.... i imagine that this "Self-meeting" is more difficult by only reading words... you write: "I have heard (not read) a lot about Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi and Sri Nisargadatta ( I also read that he eventually died of cancer). In other words, even though a person is Self-realized, he/she will continue with this dream world and its ways " maybe they continue with this dream-world....but without any attachment....and so even not to body-mind-intellect.....and so....even not to death....or birth.....or whatever .....there Is Brahman ...wherever they Are.....however they Are... you write: " How does the world appear to a Self-realized person ?" ....i hope that there can never be any words of description of This....... wish us to get some more answers....on the path... ....maybe the more deep the source of this questions are...the better is the chance of the right answers... love and peace Marc advaitin, Shailendra Bhatnagar <bhatnagar_shailendra> wrote: > Namaste, I have a few very simple or fundamental questions. If we say X is Self-realized, the question is how do we know that ? I doubt if X will claim that I am Self-realized (I am assuming X would be beyond good, bad, humility, goodness, arrogance, pride or any human quality). I have read the names of several great Swamis on this list. Are they all Self-realized ? I am sure one can benefit immensely by simply meeting such men. (I am not sure if reading their works will have the same affect) I have heard (not read) a lot about Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi and Sri Nisargadatta ( I also read that he eventually died of cancer). In other words, even though a person is Self-realized, he/she will continue with this dream world and its ways . What is the exact nature of Self-realization ? How does the world appear to a Self-realized person ? How does it feel to be in the company of a Self-realized person ? Is it similar to the peace and serenity that one experiences during Satsangh or > after Omkar ? I have read in Gita chapter 5 > > 8. "I do nothing at all, " thus would the harmonised knower of Truth think seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, > > 9. Speaking, letting go, seizing, opening and closing the eyes --- convinced that the senses move among the sense-objects > > Is this a description of a Self-realized person ? > > best regards, > Shailendra > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hari OM! Dear Shailendraji A flower which is full bloom and giving its fragrance around, should not advertise itself, The Bee's which needs to want honey from the flower will be around always. So, even in Srimad Bhagawad Geetha Bhagwan never described about the external characters of the self realised person, why because then each and everyone will act like what has said. So self realisation is not an external change or wearing the orange robe, but it gives it's radiation around, with out our knowledge we will recognise that, because essentially we are all that same SELF. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:27:35 -0800 (PST), Shailendra Bhatnagar <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote: > > Namaste, I have a few very simple or fundamental questions. If we say X is Self-realized, the question is how do we know that ? I doubt if X will claim that I am Self-realized (I am assuming X would be beyond good, bad, humility, goodness, arrogance, pride or any human quality). I have read the names of several great Swamis on this list. Are they all Self-realized ? I am sure one can benefit immensely by simply meeting such men. (I am not sure if reading their works will have the same affect) I have heard (not read) a lot about Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi and Sri Nisargadatta ( I also read that he eventually died of cancer). In other words, even though a person is Self-realized, he/she will continue with this dream world and its ways . What is the exact nature of Self-realization ? How does the world appear to a Self-realized person ? How does it feel to be in the company of a Self-realized person ? Is it similar to the peace and serenity that one experiences during Satsangh or > after Omkar ? I have read in Gita chapter 5 > > 8. "I do nothing at all, " thus would the harmonised knower of Truth think seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, > > 9. Speaking, letting go, seizing, opening and closing the eyes --- convinced that the senses move among the sense-objects > > Is this a description of a Self-realized person ? > > best regards, > Shailendra > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99@g...> wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Shailendraji > > A flower which is full bloom and giving its fragrance around, should > not advertise itself, > > Namaste, One of the `sweetest' descriptions of such a person is given in Ch. 116 "Saint: An Appraisal", of the book, New Dimensions of Yoga, by Yogi Raushan Nath, [publ. 1964, repr. 2000; Jay Cee Publications, New Delhi]. "… .To a weary traveller on the spiritual path, a saint is what a green oasis is to the traveller in the waterless desolation of a desert. He serves as a flaming beacon to many a lone seeker still groping in the dark. His achievements in the spiritual field reassure and help an aspirantto build up his confidence and morale. "A saint's compassionate heart feels for those who suffer: his life shows what God's grace is like. In him divine benevolence is beautifully mirrored. God as Light peeps through his heart and speaks through him to break the monotony of man's groping in the dark. "God fashions a saint from the aspirations, the ideals and the pious wishes of men and gives something of Himself, too. The saint lives what others aspire to. He paves the way to the Heavens by his spirit of service, sacrifice and devotion. And he lights the Path by his love for God. Men endeavour with greater confidence and feel inspired when they see that it is one of them who sought and realized God. They flock to him with pride. "This is what would go into the making of a saint: "He should think, breathe and live Dharma. He should restrain, then control all his senses. He should eat in moderation and sleep according to necessity. A saint watches his thoughts, feelings and deeds and is guided by inner Light. At peace with the world and at rest in himself, he does his allotted job in earnestness and with sincerity. He is kind and pleasnt to talk to. He loves justice and is considerate towards all. He is always helpful to the needy and does not take undue advantage of the ignorance or the weakness of others. He speaks only when he must, and that too, to the pointand with the consciousness of its implications. He does not indulge in backbiting, idle gossping and avoids falsehoods. He soothes the frayed tempers rather than create strife. He shares with others what he has and doesn't covet what is not his legitimately. He returns evil with good. He hears no evil, thinks no evil and does no evil. He does not parade ostensibly his honesty, nor does he ridicule others. He is honest and doesn't regret being so, nor does he grumble. He is patient and charitable towards others' shortcomings and failings. He believes: men err but are capable of correcting themselves. A saint helps man to improve himself: he does not merely condemn. For the errent soul he prays:'God! Give them Thy Light to see.' And he inspires them to mend their ways. People's welfare and their spiritual well-being is his concern and he doesn't shirk his responsibility. Instead of himself praying to God for his needs, he does good to others and they pray in thankfulness to the Lord for his well-being. Good done to the distressed invokes a prayer in their hearts. That is the way a saint would pray. In a saint humanity triumphs over inhumanity of the evil world. It ever shines and stands out as one of his essential qualities. To him love of man and respect for human dignity are the articles of his faith. Nothing is so stimulating to him as a dedicated life. He is eager to help. A saint should not hate nor look down upon a man given to evil ways. He should not ignore him as someone unworthy of his attention. The man is ill and poses a challenge to him. A saint should nurse him back to health. He is to act and look dignified and keep up the high traditions of selfless service, honor and good name of the noble saints of all times. He forgives others readily and bears no malice. He is contented with what he gets for his hard, honest work and strives for more if that falls short of his necessary needs. To a child he is a benevolent helper; to a young man a good friend and to an old man a patient, understanding companion. ………He is blissfully lost in the love of God. And he enjoys an uninterrupted peace of mind. He never refuses to live. His response to the urgent calls made on him by the sense-organs is conditioned by Dharma. He is quiet, tender, obliging, patient, simple and frank. He is humble. But he alive to a sense of honor and is mindful of his self-respect. He does not like hypocrisy. He is neither treachorous nor revengeful nor arrogant and quarrelsome. He is not self-opinionated, conceited and impervious to reason. He has a fine spirit of accommodation and adapts himself easily to the prevailing circumsatances. He doesn't, however, endure unrighteous oppression and doesn't hesitate to lay down his own life even to resist it. His silence is more eloquent than speech. In him the questing human mind finds an answer to many abaffling question. His talk is wise and it enlightens. Higher truths of life are eager to express themselves in life. Providence seeks him out to be the instrument of many a noble deed. …….From the mixture of good and bad in the world, the good crystallizes into purity of thought, nobility of character—into saintliness—into a saint. A saint is a fine crystal of the good in man. A saint is divinty come to life in man. A saint epitomizes all that is good, novel, manful and godlike in life. Godliness: he oozes it, drips it and spreads it around. He is God-fearing, humane and humble. He is human, manly and manful. In him manhood bursts forth into the blossom of divinity. He is great because he gladly shares his experience, knowledge and spiritual greatness. He inspires and elevates. "I may go on writing words of praise for him, but it is desirable that I should step aside so that the saint can come and pray unto the Lord:"Give me the courage of conviction, strength of character and true human spirit. I seek Thee, Thy Grace and human heritage : Brotherhood of Man and the aspiration for Higher Values." Aspirant! May the Lord grant him that and make him worthy of the faith, devotion and love of those who seek his guidance. OM!" Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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