Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 "amba tvAmanusandDAmi bhagavadgItE BhavadvaeShiNeem" O Loving Mother! I meditate upon Thee - showering down the amrita of advaita and consisting of 18 chapters of nectar - upon Thee O Bhagavad-gIta and Loving Mother ! I meditate. "dharma-kshetra, in the Kurukshetra, - what are my people and Pandavas doing, Sanjaya," the emperor who could not see, asks Sanjaya who could see. It is interesting that the gita-acharya chose to open the Smriti with the words 'dharma' and it is a pleasure to retain the same opening words. The Following of dharma gives instantaneous results and enlivens each and every moment. One need not wait for another moment or another after-life to see what happens. Dharma-chakra, the rotating wheel of dharma, depicts one's position in the cosmic cycle with respect to each and every individual's part to play so to keep it moving. It is when one takes the role of personal agency and doership that the wheel stops rotating for him/her resulting in stagnation and adharma. The gita-acharya warns us in the beginning itself that, kurukhsetra is another dharma-kshetra itself and not to be viewed as anything different. Ironically, the emperor who is blind to dharma refused earlier the gift of sight to watch the unfoldment of dharma, due to deep emotional attachment to those beloved unfortunately pursuing the path of adharma. Such is the trickery of adharma that it induces resistance to dharmic-insight even when offered by the Lord, as well as inspiring those faithful to the emperor also to choose blindness for discrimination out of perceived helplessness, as evidenced in this case. While his people far outnumbered the Pandavas, nevertheless, one would know in the depths of their hearts that dharma would prevail eventually and hence the interim curioisty on the muscle strength versus dharma, as if to find it differently this time also with another short-lived success. Kurukshetra is located some 100 miles from modern Delhi (Hastinapura)and is located on the banks of the erstwhile Saraswati river, where Vedic culture was abundant and even the air sounded rhythmically like vedic dhwani and smelled like moist earth, made wet by the holy waters of the river Saraswati. Ironically, the Kurukshetra-region would remain as the strategic centre for all future invasions and wars and it is no surprise that it is now the capital of the holy land. Many many Sages were born in this region and there is a living Banyan tree which witnessed the Lord's teaching to Arjuna. It is said that Karna wore the Koh-i-noor diamond (,which was earlier given to him by Sri Krishna,) in his turban during the war. All other warriors wore similar jewellery. All the rulers in India gathered in Kurukshetra to join either of the two great armies. Miles and miles of armies were arrayed against each other and were ready to start the yagna. The most mighty Bhishma, Drona, Kripa, Ashwathama, Duryodhana, Karna, Pandavas and many great heroes were ready to start at a moment's notice. Sri Krishna would not touch any weapon nor fight and had taken the role of charioteer to Arjuna. The previous day, Sri Krishna, with his divine touch and gentle massaging, ensured that each horse was inspired and hearty. Bhishma's posture with his weapons was frightening. Drona is an expert fighter who could send down some dozen arrows before one could complete one breath and Karna, trained by Parusarama, was no less equal. Duryodhana counts the mighty heroes of either side and gets depressed. [1:10] In his mind, he perceives a defeat already even before any battle had begun despite his army outnumbering his rival... ....such is the path of adharma, where every step is a perceived loss. So foolish was he to ask Drona to guard Bhishma, the commander-in-chief. Realizing Duryodhana's position, Bhishma sends out a mighty lion's roar from his conch and hearing which, great warriors trembled with fear on both sides. Others on his side join to start the war of conchs. Sri Krishna, impressed by the Lion's roar of Bhishma, gently smiles in appreciation and gathers his divine conch, Srimad Panchajanya. Upon seeing Lord Krishna reaching out for his divine conch, Bhishma stops momentarily to watch the divinity with a smile and folded hands. Sri Krishna's divine conch sends out a sweet sound and Arjuna imitates the same with his Devadatta. In the midst of the lion roars, the sweet divine sounds dominate without a roar. Bhima follows the roar with his Paundra. Duryodhana, with eyes glowing like fire-balls, stares at bhishma and Sri Krishna. Bhishma reaches out again for his conch. War of conchs thus progresses with everyone doing their part to get their roars resounding till heavens, in the midst of which the divine sounds dominated. Duryodhana again gets depressed and senses a defeat in this war of conchs. [1:19]... ....such is the path of adharma, where every step is a perceived loss. Duryodhana already lost two times even before any battle started. Arjuna reaches for his weapons and senses a victory already... ....such is the path of dharma where every step is a perceived victory. He then wanted to take a good look at all the mighty warriors who he would conquor and instructs his charioteer to show him around all of them. Krishna obliges as a friend and Arjuna takes a good look of his close relatives. Arjuna gets depressed at the thought of victory over all those close to his heart and loses discrimination out of misplaced compassion... ....such are the ways of acts being undertaken for perceived personal gains. All his life, Arjuna operated more for personal victories and tries to apply the same technique to a war of such large magnitude. Not able to reconcile a perceived personal victory over his close ones, he gets overwhelmed with grief and puts down his gandiva weapon. The first preaching starts now [1:40] from Arjuna to Sri Krishna- "When a whole clan gets wiped out, the preceding and succeeding all generations would suffer and Arjuna details how. By this, one verily would go to hell due to committing a great sin out of desire for enjoyment. Hence, I would not fight and would let myself be conquored wuthout resisting." Saying so, Arjuna throws away his arms and crumbles on the chariot, overpowered by grief. Understanding Arjuna's deepest feelings, the Lord knew that no amount of logic or persuation would convice Arjuna and decides to take a different path. Instead of argumentation and discussion about his role to play, the Lord starightaway in the beginning itself, without wasting any time, starts by imparting Atma-jnana [ (2:12)...(2.16)...], so that Arjuna could see things for himself. The entire gIta flows in the form of a dialogue, with Arjuna asking for clarifications over and over and SriKrishna answering him again and again patiently and with Love. With Love, Raghava ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 advaitin, Raghavarao Kaluri <raghavakaluri> wrote: > "amba tvAmanusandDAmi bhagavadgItE BhavadvaeShiNeem" > > O Loving Mother! I meditate upon Thee - > showering down the amrita of advaita and consisting > of 18 chapters of nectar - upon Thee O Bhagavad-gIta > and Loving Mother ! I meditate. > namaste. Some thoughts on the topic and relevance to daily life 1. arjuna's viShAdam: The root cause for arjuna's viShAdam is the attachment that he has toward the cousins, teacher(s) and the grandfather on the opposite side and the thinking that he has that he would be responsible for the killing of these people. This attachment has come out of ignorance. If the opposite army is constituted of kings entirely unrelated to arjuna, arjuna would have no qualms about fighting them. Thus the attachment (which arjuna had) is the root cause for the viShAdam. To cover up this ignorance (although unknowingly), arjuna quotes from dharma-shAstrA-s justifying his thinking of withdrawal from the war. Relevance to the daily life: This is true in modern daily life as well. Whenever a person slides from his/her moral duties, he/she quotes the shAstrA-s and tries to justify withdrawal from his/her duties. Quite often, in our daily life, we exhibit this attachment and differentiate between family and friends on one side and complete unknowns on the other. If we come across death in an unknown family, we do not hesitate to quote (quite genuinely and correctly) gatasAnagatAsUnca nAnu shocanti panDitAH.... Yet, when the death happens in the family, we forget BG 2.7 and will be wallowing in deep sorrow. shri vinobha bhave gave a nice example in his pravacanam on the gItA. There was once a learned judge who used to give justice decisions strictly according to the law, giving just punishment to criminals and acquittals to the innocents. He never wavered from his duties. One day, he had to preside in the case of his son being tried for murder. While he should be imposing a punishment of hanging for this crime, he couldn't do it. And just like arjuna dropping his gAnDIva in his sorrow, the judge's pen dropped and he went through the whole set of emotions just like arjuna. He wrote a lame judgement saying hanging is an uncivilized punishment and that it is the duty of the law to abolish hanging, etc. 2. kurukshetra: kurukshetra war is not just between pAnDava-s and kaurava-s. It is a war that takes place continuously within each jIva between the dharmic and adharmic constituents of the jIva. This war takes place in a dharmakshetra which is the jIva. Our body is a kshetra (BG13.1) We can gain lot of insight from chapter 1 by seeing this war, not as between two warring clans but as a war between the dharmic forces and the adharmic forces that are there in each jIva. regards gummuluru murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 advaitin, "gmurthy_99" <gmurthy@m...> wrote: > >> > > namaste. Some thoughts on the topic and relevance to daily life > Namaste, Murthygaru, It is a long long time since I saw a post of yours. Thank you for coming in and giving your valuable thoughts on Gita in daily life and pointing out that it is not a war in distant Kurukshetra that we are talking about, but it is a war which we are daily waging within ourselves, between the bad vAsanAs and the not-so-bad vAsanAs that all got entrenched into our own system. I expect to see more of you during this discussion and we shall value your thoughts as ever before. Thank you once again. With regards profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Dear Sri. Murthy, Namaste. Thanks much for your excellent post. Your message of kurukshetra being within us is so very appropriate. Our own personal kurukshetras may not get limited to 18 days but may go on eternally. Other portions of your post throw up some questions and dilemmas. > ... > Thus the attachment (which arjuna had) is the root cause for the > viShAdam. > ... > Yet, when the death happens in the family, we forget BG 2.7 and > will be wallowing in deep sorrow. While fully appreciating the teachings of SriKrishna, I can empathize with Arjuna's viShAda. Most of the opponents were good and honourable men whom he loved and of whom shared many fond memories. While not being adharmis themselves, they happenned to be on the side of adharma. The pulls of various feelings that Arjuna may have gone through is mind boggling. For mere mortals as us, is it desirable to develop that kind of detachment where we don't lament at a dear-departed ? Are not the various experiences of life including pride, happiness, sorrow an inherent part of us ? Will not a totally detached existence be nIrasa (dull) ? I think it is our privilege to indulge in sorrow if there is a death in the family. It is our love and affection for the dear-departed that is offered as sorrow. What is probably more important is whether we recover from it or get washed away. I realize I may inadvertently be jumping the gun. I shall await more discussions on these when the topic moves on to the characteristics of a sthithaprajna. Best regards, Ramachandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 advaitin, "K.B.S. Ramachandra" <ram@m...> wrote: > > Dear Sri. Murthy, > > Namaste. > > Thanks much for your excellent post. Your message of kurukshetra > being within us is so very appropriate. Our own personal > kurukshetras may not get limited to 18 days but may go on eternally. > > Other portions of your post throw up some questions and dilemmas. > > While fully appreciating the teachings of SriKrishna, I can > empathize with Arjuna's viShAda. Most of the opponents were goo and > honourable men whom he loved and of whom shared many fond memories. > While not being adharmis themselves, they happenned to be on the > side of adharma. The pulls of various feelings that Arjuna may have > gone through is mind boggling. > > For mere mortals as us, is it desirable to develop that kind of > detachment where we don't lament at a dear-departed ? Are not the > various experiences of life including pride, happiness, sorrow an > inherent part of us ? Will not a totally detached existence be > nIrasa (dull) ? > > I think it is our privilege to indulge in sorrow if there is a > death in the family. It is our love and affection for the dear- > departed that is offered as sorrow. What is probably more important > is whether we recover from it or get washed away. namaste shri Ramachandra-ji, Thanks for your comments. Yes, as jIvA-s, we can empathize with arjuna's viShAdam. But the question need to be asked. Is arjuna's viShAdam appropriate? Lord Krishna answers empahtically, no, it is not. The fond memories of arjuna which you alluded to above are the result of the attachment he had developed over the years, this being the result of ignorance. I am not sure arjuna has thought of all the pro-s and con-s before ending up in his viShAdam. I think it is a natural and instinctive response from him at his level of Self-knowledge (or his level of ignorance). What I was trying to emphasize was: We do not give the same weight to the calamity befalling on some strangers to the calamity falling on us. I cited the example of death in the family. We will not be as sorrow-stricken from death in a stranger's family as death in our family. Even though we may not admit it, our feelings are different both in intensity and in terms of time-span of the grief in the case of the two situations. In both cases, it is a loss of life. Lord krishna says in chapter 2 gatasAnagatAsUnca nAnu shocanti panDitAH. This should apply equally to both calamities. But we are more disturbed by our calamity. And the root cause for this is the attachment. Also, please note that it is not the death that causes the grief. It is the attachment that causes the grief. > > I realize I may inadvertently be jumping the gun. I shall await more > discussions on these when the topic moves on to the characteristics > of a sthithaprajna. > Yes, I think we may be jumping the gun in discussing the chapter 2 verse here. I notice the essays of chapter 2 have just appeared on the List and there may be some contextual material relevant to this discussion. > Best regards, > Ramachandra regards Gummuluru Murthy --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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