Fwd: Ramana, Samadhis, etc etc.

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advaitajnana, "Tony OClery" <aoclery>

wrote:

Namaste D,IMHO,

 

There is really only one Real Samadhi the others are variations of

tied consciousness, or temporary.

 

Ramana's highest teaching is Ajativada i.e. it never happened at

all, you will find this in 'Be as you are' by Godman and in other

letters on Ramana.

 

However most do not follow that and follow one of the other two

theories of creation, so most of the time Ramana talked to them at

their level of understanding. Most of the devotees are actually very

dualistic as is evidenced by examining the Raman sites on . THE

SELF/SIVA that Ramana talked about was really Saguna Brahman

Concept, as he knew his audience would in the main reject his

highest teaching. Because of lack of awareness or a need to

worship 'something'.

 

However as a Realised Being he also knew that realisation of Saguna

also brought with it the realisation of Nirguna. So it was

superfluous to insist upon teachings they didn't understand at all.

 

There is a proviso here with regard to Bhakti, some don't achieve

ultimate liberation and achieve Brahmaloka or one of the highest

levels of consciousness not requiring rebirth. This is no doubt due

to their intense love and identification with a love one or Guru-

Ishtadevata, preventing the dissolution of all thought.

 

Ramana does say that a Mukta does things automatically, and he uses

the child feeding and not remembering as an example. This indicates

that the body has of course still fulfill the Prarabda Karma of that

birth, whether a Mukti or not the karma would be the same. So a

Mukti would still behave as a human in life, but would

see 'creation' as a manifestation or appearance on The Self. This is

because consciousness still exists in the Vijnanamayakos until

death. Even though the 'Ego' has merged so to speak.

 

One must take into account Prarabda Karma and the connection to the

body, mind and even species mind as long as the body survives.

 

Many devotees latch on to some behaviour or words of the Mukta as

being gospel, even though they are Prarabda Speaking. They don't

understand the difference, and that is most people.

 

On bodiless Moksha or death of the body, it would all disappear

including the concept of Saguna, so it never happened at

all....ONS...Tony.

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