Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Namaste I would like readers to let me know whether the following observation of mine is correct. I noticed this when I was trying to summarise Chapter VI for our thread "Gita In Daily Life". I think Krishna has a pattern of using the third person or the second person in his shlokas. Whenever he makes an abstract statement as part of a theory he uses the third person. Whenever he tells Arjuna how he has to apply it he uses the second person. The whole of the sixth chapter for instance has only third person statements (when Krishna speaks) , except the single shloka #46, where he says "tasmAt yogI bhava arjuna". So this is the final commandment of his to Arjuna in application of the entire theory of meditation that he has enunciated in Ch. VI. On the other hand in Ch. II (after he starts his teachin g in #11), the shlokas which are in the second person are: #s 11, 14, 18, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31, 33 to 39, 45, 47 to 50,52, 53. So these are the applications. Rest is Theory! I would like this thought to be checked against the rest of the Gita, if you think it is worthwhile! PraNAms to all advaitins profvk Prof. V. Krishnamurthy New on my website, particularly for beginners in Hindu philosophy: Empire of the Mind: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/ManversusMind.html Free will and Divine will - a dialogue: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/FWDW.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 I would like this thought to be checked against the rest of the Gita, if you think it is worthwhile! praNAms Hare Krishna Kindly allow me to share my thoughts..... Can we say, in gIta, some shlOka-s & its teaching specifically meant for Arjuna & hence lord addressed those directly to Arjuna in second person & some shlOka-s are universal in its teaching & those have been addressed to all sAdhaka-s in spiritual path by the Lord?? If the answer is yes, then it is really worthy to ponder on those lines....But I sincerely think that might not be the case!!! For example, in the II chapter where krishna literally starts his teaching by saying ashOchyAnanvashOchastvaM...prajnAvAdAmsha bhAshase etc. etc. can we say this teaching of krishna specifically addressed to Arjuna?? Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Interesting observation Professorji. Like all scientific analsis, Krishna provides first a general theory and then a concludive statement with specific application - whenever he uses the word - tasmaat or therefore. The second chapter is more taking the specifics to general to recognize Arjuna's problem involves not only his temporal problme but general or more fundamental human problem. Hari OM! Sadananda --- "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: > Namaste > > I would like readers to let me know whether the following > observation of mine is correct. I noticed this when I was > trying to summarise Chapter VI for our thread "Gita In > Daily Life". > > I think Krishna has a pattern of using the third person or > the second person in his shlokas. Whenever he makes an > abstract statement as part of a theory he uses the third > person. Whenever he tells Arjuna how he has to apply it he > uses the second person. The whole of the sixth chapter for > instance has only third person statements (when Krishna > speaks) , except the single shloka #46, where he says > "tasmAt yogI bhava arjuna". So this is the final > commandment of his to Arjuna in application of the entire > theory of meditation that he has enunciated in Ch. VI. > > On the other hand in Ch. II (after he starts his teachin g > in #11), the shlokas which are in the second person are: > #s 11, 14, 18, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31, 33 to 39, 45, 47 to > 50,52, 53. > So these are the applications. Rest is Theory! > > I would like this thought to be checked against the rest of > the Gita, if you think it is worthwhile! > > PraNAms to all advaitins > profvk > > Prof. V. Krishnamurthy > > New on my website, particularly for beginners in Hindu philosophy: > Empire of the Mind: > http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/ManversusMind.html > > Free will and Divine will - a dialogue: > http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/FWDW.html > What you have is destiny and what you do with what you have is self-effort. Future destiny is post destiny modified by your present action. You are not only the prisoner of your past but master of your future. - Swami Chinmayananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada> wrote: > > Interesting observation Professorji. > > Like all scientific analysis, Krishna provides first a general theory and > then a conclusive statement with specific application - whenever he uses > the word - tasmaat or therefore. Namaste, A very valuable conclusion. The word 'theory' is perhaps disputable. What is explained as the rationale for the injunctions, is 'shAshvata dharma'; nothing in the history of mankind has appeared or can appear to offset this rationale. In October 2004, there was a series of 24 postings on the 'Injunctions of Krishna to Arjuna'. For many years I was puzzled by the frequency with which Krishna spoke in the first person throughout the Gita!! The puzzle was not resolved until I read about Ramana Maharshi's favorite verse, 10:20 - " aham AtmA guDAkesha sarvabUtAshayasthitaH | aham Adishcha madhyaM cha bhUtAnAmanta eva cha || " "O Arjuna! I am the Self residing in the heart of every being. I am their beginning, their life-span, and their end." It clarified for me the phrase ; ' j~nAna-sa.nchhinna-sa.nshayaH ' (whoce doubts have been dispelled by knowledge). Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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