Instant Moksha ===> "more" quantum physics :-)

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Dear Advaitins,

 

I thought i should make the subject of my earlier posts, more "Down

to Earth", for the sake of people who may not have had an initiation

in Science/Physics and hence this post.

 

What kind of thoughts/feelings does a "Rising Sun" bring in our

minds? Peace/Tranquility/Freshness/Vigour/Fearlessness...the list

extends... The darkest of our fears that crop up during the nights

simply disappear, dont they? Ever wondered why?

 

Let me tell you a well-known scientific fact. It says that a piece

of Sun (i.e a ball of fire) flew apart from it millions of years ago,

cooled over eons, to finally form something that we call today

as "Earth". All heavy elements that are found on the Earth were formed

from this ball of fire, which originally contained only lighter

elements like Hydrogen & Helium. And we all know that life emerged out

of these heavier elements (e.g. Carbon) and compounds (e.g Water).

 

What does this mean to you? To me this meant "Instant Moksha". The

whole concept of "diversity" that I saw on the face of this Earth has

now simply vanished without a trace. I began to see the Earth and all

that is in it (including myself) as one whole ball of Energy (or a

manifestation of it) just like the way Sun is. So all the positive

thoughts that the mighty Sun brings in our life, has a meaning after

all. It is infact, our Home. The concept of seperate individuals,

communities, religions, races, countries etc. now seemed ridiculous

and a feeling of Oneness set in. With this feeling of Oneness, i set

out on the path of Enquiry, to finally find that it is the Energy that

is the ever-present sub-stratum of this material Universe and that the

Universal Consciousness is what powers this Energy. PERIOD.

 

As you can see, Science had led to Spirituality, atleast in my case.

Now all im trying is, to experience/realize this

Energy/Conciousness/Awareness/Eternal Bliss, which is why Im here...

 

And lastly, I would like to mention that this is just my take on the

subject of Oneness and others are welcome to agree/disagree with me on

this.

 

Thanks a lot for your time and Have a nice "DAY" :-) !!!

-Sowmy

 

Kindly refer my earlier posts on this subject:

 

advaitin/message/26772

advaitin/message/26792

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advaitin, "Sowmy" <nsowmy> wrote:

> Dear Advaitins,

>

>

> Let me tell you a well-known scientific fact. It says that a

piece

> of Sun (i.e a ball of fire) flew apart from it millions of years

ago,

> cooled over eons, to finally form something that we call today

> as "Earth". All heavy elements that are found on the Earth were

formed

> from this ball of fire, which originally contained only lighter

> elements like Hydrogen & Helium. And we all know that life emerged

out

> of these heavier elements (e.g. Carbon) and compounds (e.g Water).

>

> What does this mean to you? To me this meant "Instant Moksha".

The

> whole concept of "diversity" that I saw on the face of this Earth

has

> now simply vanished without a trace. I began to see the Earth and

all

> that is in it (including myself) as one whole ball of Energy (or a

> manifestation of it) just like the way Sun is. So all the positive

> thoughts that the mighty Sun brings in our life, has a meaning

after

> all. It is infact, our Home. The concept of seperate individuals,

> communities, religions, races, countries etc. now seemed

ridiculous

> and a feeling of Oneness set in.

 

Namaste,

 

Have you considered that you are still only outlining matter? And

that there is a subtle and causal body within illusion? Even though

I have used the idea of the big bang and all being matter/energy. At

pralaya the whole material universe is subsumed, but that leaves the

subtle and causal. At Mahapralaya even the subtle is subsumed.

Your logic is a good example of a step on the way.....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

> Namaste,

>

> Have you considered that you are still only outlining matter? And

> that there is a subtle and causal body within illusion? Even though

> I have used the idea of the big bang and all being matter/energy. At

> pralaya the whole material universe is subsumed, but that leaves the

> subtle and causal. At Mahapralaya even the subtle is subsumed.

> Your logic is a good example of a step on the way.....ONS...Tony.

 

Dear Tony,

 

I have never considered myself as just matter. I was just trying to

find Oneness even in this so-called material Universe. My point is

that everything that is there in this Space-Time bound Universe is

pure Energy, and whatever is beyond it, is pure Consciousness.

 

Cant these subtle bodies that you mention, if at all they have

existence / individual existence in this material Universe, be nothing

but a manifestation of the Energy/i.e cant they be an Energy form? (

just like your mind waves / thought waves .. ). Btw I dont understand

what you mean by a causal body. As far as I know, Consciousness is the

only cause for this Universe.

 

And of course, my logic (as captured in my last post) is a step on

the way...coz this is how my thought process evolved...starting from

my surroundings, to the Earth, to the Sun, to the Universe and finally

leading to the Ultimate Consciousness...if u read my two previous

posts it will show the culmination of this logic into the

Consciousness...

 

Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond to the post and have a

nice day !!!

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advaitin, "Sowmy" <nsowmy> wrote:

> leading to the Ultimate Consciousness...if u read my two previous

> posts it will show the culmination of this logic into the

> Consciousness...

>

> Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond to the post and have

a

> nice day !!!

 

Namaste S,

 

Well 'Consciousness' can be different things to different people. To

some it is an impediment enjoyed by the Jiva, to others it may

represent the Universal Mind and to others it is associated with

Saguna Brahman.

 

The cause of this illusion is nescience, which essentially is the

causal body, and to some comes later than consciousness.

 

Within this illusion there is IMO only karma and prana. So that

probably answers your question. Everything else is a mental

construct or variation of One, to enable understanding for some.

 

Ultimately energy/prana is also an illusion.....ONS....Tony.

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Namaste Tony-ji,

> Well 'Consciousness' can be different things to different people.

 

To me, it is the Absolute Reality, the feeling of Existence/Awareness.

 

> The cause of this illusion is nescience, which essentially is the

> causal body, and to some comes later than consciousness.

 

I didnt know what you were referring to when you mentioned causal

body in your previous post. But, to me, Consciousness is the cause

for everything. ( Universe, Illusion, Nescience etc...)

> Within this illusion there is IMO only karma and prana.

 

To do karma, BMI needs Energy. And BMI itself is manifestation of

Energy. So i would like to think that everything in this illusory

Universe is also Energy/Composed of Energy/Enabled by Energy...

> Ultimately energy/prana is also an illusion.....

 

Of course yes. But it is an illusion only from the standpoint of

Consciousness.

 

Have a Nice Day !

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advaitin, "Sowmy" <nsowmy> wrote:

> Namaste Tony-ji,

>

>

> To do karma, BMI needs Energy. And BMI itself is manifestation of

> Energy. So i would like to think that everything in this illusory

> Universe is also Energy/Composed of Energy/Enabled by Energy...

>

> > Ultimately energy/prana is also an illusion.....

>

> Of course yes. But it is an illusion only from the standpoint of

> Consciousness.

>

> Have a Nice Day !

 

Namaste S,

 

Consciousness is itself a quality or cit. For to be conscious infers

some attribute to be conscious of. So in the end consciousness

itself doesn't exist at all and never happened.

 

However attributing some temporary validity to this world or jagat,

as Sankara did; one arrives at the question of what is energy?

Is it energy in the prakriti state before the disturbance of the

gunas? Is the action of disturbing the gunas actually karma? Prana

is the sanskrit for energy anyway.

 

At what level does material become gross or subtle? Is a meson or

boson or quark part of the subtle or material manifestation?

 

As you see the questions are interminable and unanswerable at this

point in time. However they may be useful in reaching conclusions

about the oneness of everything in the interim..........ONS...Tony.