Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Namaste. The advaitin Group welcomes Solaikannan-ji as a new member. His introduction follows. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk ------------------ I am Solaikannan, 40 years, MBA, working in a Hospital as Finance Director in Bahrain. I am already a member of Advaita 1 list. I believe that as there is no Hinduism there is no Advaitam. The so called Hinduism is Universal spiritual teaching and that teaching is Advaitam. So, I don't want to say that I am an Advaitin or I want be an Advaitin. I want to learn the one and only spiritual teaching. I am not against any other teachings, because, all others fall under the one and only spiritual teaching, i.e. Advaitam. I hope to perceive you all as my Guru and learn from your discussions. Thanks Solaikannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Welcome Mr Solaikkannan, Indeed, Dharma is only one... the Sanatana or Eternal Dharma of the Universe. Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin. Its the multi-phenomenal universe which makes one seek God/Eternal Happiness outside of oneself. The knowledge, at an experiential level that the phenomenal universe is a manifestation of the One with no other, the unmanifest potential is therefore, enlightenment. And the path towards it composes of dis-identifying oneself from the body- mind-ego phenomenon and therefore detachment/equanimity towards everything created/felt by this phenomenon. Surrender and gratitude are great tools in doing so... but not without the above Pragya (Wisdom). Making Advaita a sect is in itself a contradiction. When we have dropped all such sectarian classifications, why be called even Advaitins? I appreciate your stance. For the Jnani, no distiction remains... even that between a believer and non-believer. Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > Namaste. > > The advaitin Group welcomes Solaikannan-ji as a new member. > His introduction follows. > > PraNAms to all advaitins. > profvk > ------------------ > > I am Solaikannan, 40 years, MBA, working in a Hospital > as Finance Director in Bahrain. I am already a member > of Advaita 1 list. I believe that as there is no > Hinduism there is no Advaitam. The so called Hinduism > is Universal spiritual teaching and that teaching is > Advaitam. So, I don't want to say that I am an > Advaitin or I want be an Advaitin. I want to learn the > one and only spiritual teaching. I am not against any > other teachings, because, all others fall under the > one and only spiritual teaching, i.e. Advaitam. I hope > to perceive you all as my Guru and learn from your > discussions. > > Thanks > Solaikannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <mail@s...> wrote: "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." The reverse is equally true. For the majority of ordinary seekers, the danger is more of prematurely throwing away the skin and destroying the banana. Without the framework of religion, spirituality is a touchy-feely catch-all word, that means everything and nothing. May be the above analogy is true for a very advanced seeker. May be not. Some of the greatest advaitin acharyas would not exempt even a jnani from his religious duties. "The knowledge, at an experiential level that the phenomenal universe is a manifestation ..." I am not sure if "knowledge, at an experiential level" is in line with advaita. Advaita is an understanding of the nature of Self, not an experience. "For the Jnani, no distiction remains... even that between a believer and non-believer." But the teaching is not for the jnani! It is for the seeker who is very much in the realm of duality. Denying distinctions from the level of a seeker is fallacious. pranAms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 advaitin, "vineetasaxena2002" <vineetasaxena2002> wrote: > advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <mail@s...> wrote: > > "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we > often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." > > The reverse is equally true. For the majority of ordinary seekers, the > danger is more of prematurely throwing away the skin and destroying > the banana. Without the framework of religion, spirituality is a > touchy-feely catch-all word, that means everything and nothing. May be > the above analogy is true for a very advanced seeker. May be not. Some > of the greatest advaitin acharyas would not exempt even a jnani from > his religious duties. > > "The knowledge, at an experiential level > that the phenomenal universe is a manifestation ..." > > I am not sure if "knowledge, at an experiential level" is in line with > advaita. Advaita is an understanding of the nature of Self, not an > experience. > > "For the Jnani, no distiction remains... even that between a believer > and non-believer." > > But the teaching is not for the jnani! It is for the seeker who is > very much in the realm of duality. Denying distinctions from the level > of a seeker is fallacious. > > pranAms Namaste, i beleive that spirituality is origin of religions.... relgion(s) begin with deep spiritual mind(s) who choosed some special kind of practice on the path......rituals....ceremonies.....and so on... an unspiritual mind get no benefit in joining a religion..... and a religion get no advancement whithout spiritual mind(s).... so i agree with the words: "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we > often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." by the occasion of this message i would like to welcome Mr. Solaikkannan and hope he enjoy the various messages Regards love and peace Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Namaste all, > "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we > often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." I think one should be careful in throwing away the "banana skin" so that he himself does not stump on it and fall down! The banana is well "protected" by the skin and we should not ignore it, though we can eat and enjoy the fruit. With pranama to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 List Moderator's Note: List wants to thank the members for their continued support to list policies and guidelines. Please do not include the previous posters' messages in the tail end (or in the beginning) of your message while sending your replies. Both the new members and other members do seem to continue to repeat doing this. The list appreciates your cooperation in keeping the message crisp and clear by removing all unnecessary parts of previous messages. (As it was done in this message!) advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33> wrote: > advaitin, "vineetasaxena2002" > <vineetasaxena2002> wrote: > > advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <mail@s...> wrote: > > > > "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we > > often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." > > Namaste, IMHO, Spirituality is of the Anthakarana and Religion is of the outward minds of men. Religion is a contrived system, to help train the minds of people. Re-Ligio or bind back. The lower self of all, even the most intelligent is at the same level and enjoys ritual and habit. Religions as opposed to Spirituality are a recent innovation in such an organised basis. In distant times people had local beliefs and some contrived or evolved systems, mostly as a control system. Jesus, Ramana etc didn't form new rules or new religions, they came within existing structures. In the end result we have to throw out the whole banana as not having happened in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hi Mani, That was a good one... the thought of tripping oneself on the thrown banana skin! Cool humour! Got your point as well. But what happens when you have finally eaten the banana fruit? Do you still keep holding to the skin? Does it make any sense in "that" state? Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin ---- R.S.MANI 06/14/05 20:57:48 advaitin Re: Re: Introduction of New Member: Mr. Solaikkannan Namaste all, > "Religion is the skin and Spirituality the banana... we > often confuse and throw away the banana and cling onto the skin." I think one should be careful in throwing away the "banana skin" so that he himself does not stump on it and fall down! The banana is well "protected" by the skin and we should not ignore it, though we can eat and enjoy the fruit. With pranama to all Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 But what happens when you have finally eaten the banana fruit? Do you still keep holding to the skin? Does it make any sense in "that" state? praNAms Hare Krishna Perhaps, in *that* state it may not make any sense....for that matter anything hardly matters even shAstra-s...but a jnAni who realized paramArtha tattva also *knows* the importance of transactional reality in the empirical world..Hence he can speak both the languages of pArmArthika as well as loukika (shankara calls him *dvibhAshi*) Coming back to above skin-banana analogy, skin can be thrown off after eating banana...but in drAshtrAntika i.e. skin=dharmAcharaNa & banana=paramArtha jnAna.....Yes, dharma & shishtAcharaNa are very much required to follow atleast for the sake of samAja kalyANa (social welfare) though jnAni is not bound by rules & regulations of dharma......krishna says in gIta yadyadAcharati shrEshtaH tattadEvEtarOjanaH...sa yatpramANaM kurute lOkastadanuvartate...over stretching any analogy may lead to absurd conclusions....we have to be very careful about it. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 The whole point is while one is clinging onto the skin, one should be aware that he/she is doing so just to keep the banana from falling (Dharmacharana makes the path easier, no doubt). The skin serves its purpose of preserving the banana till we eat it. But one should also be aware that he/she does not cling onto the skin too tightly (get immersed in it) and doesn't realise the banana has fallen off. Its all about awareness finally. Isn't it? Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin ---- bhaskar.yr 06/15/05 11:01:32 advaitin Re: Re: Introduction of New Member: Mr. Solaikkannan But what happens when you have finally eaten the banana fruit? Do you still keep holding to the skin? Does it make any sense in "that" state? praNAms Hare Krishna Perhaps, in *that* state it may not make any sense....for that matter anything hardly matters even shAstra-s...but a jnAni who realized paramArtha tattva also *knows* the importance of transactional reality in the empirical world..Hence he can speak both the languages of pArmArthika as well as loukika (shankara calls him *dvibhAshi*) Coming back to above skin-banana analogy, skin can be thrown off after eating banana...but in drAshtrAntika i.e. skin=dharmAcharaNa & banana=paramArtha jnAna.....Yes, dharma & shishtAcharaNa are very much required to follow atleast for the sake of samAja kalyANa (social welfare) though jnAni is not bound by rules & regulations of dharma......krishna says in gIta yadyadAcharati shrEshtaH tattadEvEtarOjanaH...sa yatpramANaM kurute lOkastadanuvartate...over stretching any analogy may lead to absurd conclusions....we have to be very careful about it. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <chavansachin@h...> wrote: > The whole point is while one is clinging onto the skin, one should be aware > that he/she is doing so just to keep the banana from falling (Dharmacharana > makes the path easier, no doubt). The skin serves its purpose of preserving > the banana till we eat it. > > But one should also be aware that he/she does not cling onto the skin too > tightly (get immersed in it) and doesn't realise the banana has fallen off. > > Its all about awareness finally. Isn't it? > > > Namaste, it's necessary to take off whole of the skin to eat the whole of banana sure, it's necessary to care about "where" to put the skin..... after the fruit had been digested.....maybe there is no more question about the "skin" and "banana".... instead of inventing nice theories before eat.....would be better to "practice"...and eat the banana.... Regards love and peace Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Why this underlying assumption that its not being practiced Marc? Holier than thou? Its a hurdle! Sachin ---- dennis_travis33 06/15/05 13:43:02 advaitin Re: Introduction of New Member: Mr. Solaikkannan advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <chavansachin@h...> wrote: > The whole point is while one is clinging onto the skin, one should be aware > that he/she is doing so just to keep the banana from falling (Dharmacharana > makes the path easier, no doubt). The skin serves its purpose of preserving > the banana till we eat it. > > But one should also be aware that he/she does not cling onto the skin too > tightly (get immersed in it) and doesn't realise the banana has fallen off. > > Its all about awareness finally. Isn't it? > > > Namaste, it's necessary to take off whole of the skin to eat the whole of banana sure, it's necessary to care about "where" to put the skin..... after the fruit had been digested.....maybe there is no more question about the "skin" and "banana".... instead of inventing nice theories before eat.....would be better to "practice"...and eat the banana.... Regards love and peace Marc Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 advaitin, "Sachin Chavan" <chavansachin@h...> wrote: > Why this underlying assumption that its not being practiced Marc? > > Holier than thou? Its a hurdle! > > Sachin Namaste Sachin, i'm sorry if you took this "assumption" personal.... i read the few messages about the suject and had only few thoughts... maybe you could explain what you mean with "Holier than thou? Its a hurdle!" ....to keep on the practice of spirituality Regards love and peace Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 --- Sri "Sachin Chavan" wrote: "Why this underlying assumption that its not being practiced Marc? Holier than thou? Its a hurdle!" There could be another reason. Proper practice usually brings humility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 I think one of the ground rules of this mailing list is to remain non-personal in our posts. Lets all stick to it. The rule was not created for nothing... it has tremendous value. Let us leave the introspection on one's humility or progress to oneself. Else, we would be working against the interests of the mailing list. This is a request to all and everybody... me included. Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin ---- vineetasaxena2002 06/15/05 16:45:17 advaitin Re: Introduction of New Member: Mr. Solaikkannan --- Sri "Sachin Chavan" wrote: "Why this underlying assumption that its not being practiced Marc? Holier than thou? Its a hurdle!" There could be another reason. Proper practice usually brings humility. Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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