Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 "Ravichandran Mahalingam" <mravichandran Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:42:31 -0500 Namaskaram: On saturday June 18, 2005 at the Womens Choir of Dallas (near the SW Medical Center in Dallas where JFK was pronounced dead), 2 girls from Reno, Nevada chanted the vedic mantras (with an accent though). they call themselves Shanti Shanti group (http://www.shantishanti.com/index2.php) the 'only' sanskrit rock group in the US/world (if I can borrow CNN's word for the continental US). they started off with Sahana Bhavathu, Asatoma, and Vakrathuda - i was able to listen to each of the words clearly. they have composed songs in english, most of which are translations of the verses in the veda. they alternate between the vedic chants and their 'english' songs they had composed. at the end of each song/chant they talk about 'sanskrit' language http://www.shantishanti.com/about_sanskrit.php. they seem to be fluent in Sanskrit. they listed out the words that are currently used in English that are derived from Sanskrit - i can related to a lot of words that are of sanskrit origin myself. they listed guru, pandit, and a whole range of words such as duo, tri, and whole list of words .. the one that caught me off guard - 'Stand' is derived from 'stha (thishta)' - the future forms use the root 'stha' and the present tense uses 'thistha'. when I think about the different words borrowed from Sanskrit - i could never identify the word stand. how they learnt sanskrit is in a book. the gist of it is mentioned here: http://www.shantishanti.com/artists.php They recited MahaNarayana Upanishad (though they announced it as Narayana Upanishad) WITHOUT ANY READING material. They also mentioned that vedas were scientific then - 5000+ years ago and then recited: Brahma Jnanam Param....Aakashath vayuuhu..vayor agnihi - to explain the origin of life. and those 2 girls thought it was pretty cool. they mentioned that the energy generated from their chants, has made their house green with trees and growth - the only house in that neighborhood that has a lot of trees/greenery - particulary in Nevada state. sometimes, they do not even care to water the plants. their mother came up on the stage (ayurvedic doctor - learnt it many years ago) and also a friend of Deepak Chopra to tell the 'confusion' they went through before identifying the fact that the kids knew sanskrit and had to 'encourage' them. In the webpage, it is mentioned that while learning Sanskrit, Andrea felt that she was remembering (recapitualing) what she had learnt and not learning a new stuff. I do not know whether they were some sanskrit pundits in their previous life. since they are learning the Devanagiri script, they composed a song 'City of Angels'. Overall, to 'bring' Sanskrit its recognition to the 'western world' god gave them a great voice. her dad sings the engligh songs with them and the whole family knows sanskrit. PL. FORWARD THIS TO PEOPLE who might be interested. it might not bring good luck like those chain letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...> wrote: > "Ravichandran Mahalingam" <mravichandran@h... > Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:42:31 -0500 > > Namaskaram: > > On saturday June 18, 2005 at the Womens Choir of Dallas (near the SW > Medical Center in Dallas where JFK was pronounced dead), 2 girls from > Reno, Nevada chanted the vedic mantras (with an accent though). >> > PL. FORWARD THIS TO PEOPLE who might be interested. it might not > bring good luck like those chain letters. Namaste The above post of Ram Chandranji tempts me to narrate what was my good fortune two days ago (on Saturday the 18th June) in a similar connection. I was participating in a wedding of Shubha, a grand- niece of my wife, with Christian Hoveland, at Philadelphia. The Minister was from a Presbyterian Church. Just before the vows were exchanged, I was called to the dais to give a vedic benediction. Accordingly I recited a vedic benediction for a minute and a half and also followed it up with 10 short paragraphs of blessings in Sanskrit, along with their English translation and the assembled gathering followed me in chorus with 'So Be It' at the appropriate places. I give below the text of the vedic benediction as also the ten blessing- prayers -- so that, any one who is favourably inclined may use either the same or a similar benediction and blessing, if there is an opportunity. _______ Vedic Benediction (in Sanskrit) from the dais The recitation includes a permuting repetition, in a certain order, of the words which together mean the following, in the context where it appears in the Vedas: May the dedication to a life-long commitment made this day ( between this man and this woman) result in great prosperity, untarnished reputation, success in all that they undertake together, and the attainment of all worthy goals. (In Sanskrit): paryAptyA anantarAyAya sarvastomotirAtra uttamam ahar-bhavati / sarvasyAptyai sarvasya jityai / sarvamevaiva sarvagum sarvamevatena tenaiva sarvagum sarvameva tena / eva tena tenaiveva tenApnoty- Apnoti tenaiveva tenApnoti / tenApnotyApnoti tena tenApnoti sarvagum sarvamApnoti tena tenApnoti sarvam / Apnoti sarvagum sarvamApnotyApnoti sarvam jayati jayati sarvamApnotyApnoti sarvam jayati / sarvam jayati jayati sarvagum sarvam jayati / jayatIti jayati / sarvasyAptyai sarvasya jityai sarvameva tenApnoti sarvam jayati/ ___________________________ A Sequence of 10 prayers followed by ten approvals by the assembly: svasti mantrArthAs-satyAs-saha-phalAs-santviti bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May there be peace and the noble persons present here so bless that the meaning of the mantras and rituals be true and fruitful) All: SO BE IT. anayor-dampatyoH vedoktam dIrgham Ayushyam bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May this couple have the long life mentioned in the scriptures and the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT ayam muhUrtas-sumuhUrto bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May this moment of wedlock be auspicious to its fullest and the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT anayor dampatyoH sakala-devatAnAm atyantam AnukUlyam bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May the Divine Power pour forth their richest blessings on this couple and the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT anayor dampatyoH Subetara-phala-pradAtRNAm devatAnAm Sakter-nirasanaM bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May the Divine Power overcome any forces that may affect the well-being of this couple and the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT anayor dampatyoH Subha-phala-pradAtRNAm SaktiH atyanta atiSayena phaladA bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May the well-wishing Powers that be abundantly shower their best on this couple and may the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT anayor dampatyoH Ayur-balam yaSo varcaH paSavas-sthairyam siddhir- lakshmIH kshamA kAntis-sadguNA AnandaH ityeteshAm sadA abhivRddhir- bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May this couple continuously grow in health, good reputation, beauty, prosperity, integrity, forbearance, friendship, love and contentment and may the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT anayor dampatyoH nityotsavo nityaSrIH nityamangalam bhUyAditi bhavanto mahAntonugRNantu (May this couple be blessed with abundant joy, constant prosperity and continuing good fortune and may the noble persons present here so bless) All: SO BE IT deSesmin sAntirastu; sarve janAssukhino bhavantu (May this nation enjoy peace; May all people be blessed with happiness) All: SO BE IT samasta-sanmangaLAni santu; uttarottarAbhivRddhir-astu (Let there be all-round good fortune; and may we all continue always to strive towards the Highest Good) All: SO BE IT __________ PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...> wrote: > "Ravichandran Mahalingam" <mravichandran@h... > Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:42:31 -0500 > > Namaskaram: Namaste, Yeah its great stuff, reminds me somewhat of Deva Prema's music...Her treatment of the mantras, Gayatri etc...........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Vedic Benediction (in Sanskrit) from the dais The recitation includes a permuting repetition, in a certain order, of the words which together mean the following, in the context where it appears in the Vedas: praNAms Hare Krishna We, South Indians, use these vEdic maNtra-s on different occasions...original text as it is in vEda-s called saMhitA pATha..the same maNtra-s have been recited in different order like pada pATha, krama pATha, jatA-pATha, ghana pATha & finally salakShaNa ghana pATha...Apart from Ashirvachana maNtra-s (benedictory maNtra-s) we have this method of recitation for all saMhitA portion of vEda-s that is including rudra praShna (namaka & chamaka)... other famous Ashirvachana maNtra-s that we use at the functions are *navo navo bhavati jAyamAnohnAm kEturushasAmEtyagraM............prachandramAstirati dhIrgamAyuhu*, * shatamAnaM bhavati.......ShatEndriya AyushyEvEndriye pratithiShTathi....dhanam, dhAnyam, bahuputra lAbham shata saMvatsaraM dhIrghamAyuH etc. . these maNtra-s will be recited in ghana pATha style by the group of vaidiks. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 2 girls from Reno, Nevada chanted the vedic mantras (with an accent though). >> praNAms Hare Krishna Is this allowed in our dharma shAstra-s?? can stree (women) recite vEda maNtra-s with praNava (OmkAra) & namaH??...AFAIK, our dharma shAstra-s prohibited non-dvija-s i.e. shUdra-s & stree from reciting vEdic maNtra-s... I know this opinion varies amond scholars & may trigger lot of questions...but anyway, this is not for long discussions...just need a clarification from senior members who accustomed to Hindu culture. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote: > > these maNtra-s will be recited in ghana pATha style by > the group of vaidiks. > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar Namaste In continuation of the above remark by Bhaskar Prabhuji, may I draw the attention of members to http://www.vedamantram.com/ where they can hear samples of veda-mantra recitations? In particular, to hear the ghana recitation (with words repeated in the pattern 12 - 21 - 123 - 321 - 123 - 23 - 32 - 234 - 432 - 234 - 34 - ...) go to the above site and click 'ghanam' under Veda mantras. You will have a feast (and an upsurge of the spirit) for the ears! PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Namaste Bhasker Prabhuji: First let thank you for recognizing the fact that opinion varies among scholars and this topic can potentially divert our focus from the list's scope. The website below contains a very good account of the status of Women in Hinduism. URL: http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Women_in_Hinduism.htm Also the list discussed this topic several times in the past and the long discussions are available in list archives. Most importantly, let us suppose that sufficient evidence can be established to illustrate that women were not treated in the distant past. The question that we should ask ourselves is - should we follow the same rules and regulations at the present time? The answer is quite simple and the Dharma Sastras (Manusmriti) do provide us change our customs/beliefs/dharmas to accomodate change in time! The ancient Tamil Grammarian Tokappiar states: " The only way to protect us from committing errors is to Discard old rules and introduce new rules that are more appropriate with the change in time." (Tamil: Pazayana Kazithalum pudhiyana pukuthalam vazuvilai) I hope this clarifies your questions. I also request members not to engage in long discussions on this question and divert our focus on the important points regarding the "benefits of Vedic Chanting." Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote: > Is this allowed in our dharma shAstra-s?? can stree (women) recite > vEda maNtra-s ............. > > I know this opinion varies amond scholars & may trigger lot of > questions...but anyway, this is not for long discussions...just need a > clarification from senior members who accustomed to Hindu culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Namaste. Madhav-ji writes in a personal note: The Ghanam recital is excellent. It really made a feast for ears and mind. Thank you for sharing such a treasure. It had a special significace to me. I follow Shri Gajanan Maharaj of Shegaon, who was a great saint of Maharashtra. In his Charitra, there is a mention of Ghana Paatha. I always used to wonder what that could be. Today, because of you, i was able to hear it. Now you can imagine what a special feast it was for me. Sir, I felt the recital was too short. Can you refer any other URLs which can provide me similar recitals. Or even some CDs I can get someplace? -------- Can some one help Madhav-ji with a suitable reference? Thanks. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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