To Bhaskarji, Tonyji and others

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Bhaskar Prabhuji wrote:

 

Shankara's brhadAraNyaka shruti bhAshya wherein he explicitly declares that the

liberation will happen living in this very body & it does not require such

things as going to some

place or exhausting the karma phala which was accrued at pre-jnAna period.

 

Tonyji wrote

 

The yes and no of creation existing after Moksha is a definate no!

It is even gone in deep sleep. The creation only exists for the

body/mind of the erstwhile ego, as the Mukta has moved on so to

speak. I say no for this in itself is an illusion that didn't

happen. I know people say the creation turns into an appearance of

the Self on realisation. However this it also untimately untrue.

 

There is only Nir Guna Brahman, and that was never modified by

anything appearance or anything.

 

Sri Ramakrishna said (my last post was on this only):

 

It is like the case of ice floating in water. Same thing is sometimes

Ice, sometimes water. One who has never seen ice will say it is not

water; one who has only seen ice and not water will say this liquid is not

ice. One who knows both knows the truth. After Saguna comes the Nirguna

experience, and yet after Nirguna experience one gets the taste of

Saguna.

 

(Sri Ramakrishna Kathamrita : The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna)

 

Dear Tonyji,

 

I am trying to understand what you have written. I am not pointing out any

divergence between what you have written and what Sri Ramakrishna said, as you

have categorically mentioned it in Videhamukti.

 

My requests to both Tonyji and Bhaskarji is could you kindly throw some light on

what state is Sri Ramakrishna trying to describe here. Is it the 'sadehamukta'

state?

 

Also, I take this opportunity to ask this question on many different states that

Sri Ramakrishna and others described like Avatar, Mukta, Ishwarkoti (this term

has come many times in Sri Ramakrishna's speech), Jeevamukta and Nityasiddha. He

particularly used to call Naren (Swami Vivekananda) a Nityasiddha. Is there any

scriptural elaboration / explanation on these states.

 

I am sorry if this has been discussed earlier by the List.

 

Pranams to all.

 

Vinayak

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Vinayak Lohani <vinayaklohani>

wrote:

> It is like the case of ice floating in water. Same thing is

sometimes

> Ice, sometimes water. One who has never seen ice will say it is not

> water; one who has only seen ice and not water will say this liquid

is not

> ice. One who knows both knows the truth. After Saguna comes the

Nirguna

> experience, and yet after Nirguna experience one gets the taste of

> Saguna.

>

> (Sri Ramakrishna Kathamrita : The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna)

 

Namaste VL-ji.

 

What Ramakrishna is perhaps explaining here is that after the Nirguna

experience or nirvikalpa, one returns to the illusion or Saguna's

projections. In other words this could be a description of a samadhi

rather than a Moksha.

 

What I am averring to is that at the dissolution of the ego or Moksha

the body/mind, without the personal ego, has some prarabda to finish.

 

When Sankara says one gets moksha in this very body he is referring to

this phenomenan. The remaing body/mind is actually motivated by the

prarabda and vijnanamayakosa, ie the Universal mind of Sakti, as the

kosas have been mostly purified except for the remaining karmas.

 

This is all in illusion of course-----NirGuna was never

modified....ONS...Tony.