Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Here is a statement from Jnaneshwar in his Haripatha that I find really odd. It is quite puzzling to me: "When one receives the grace of a saint, His ego-consciousness dissolves; Eventually, even God-consciousness will dissolve. If you light a piece of camphor, It produces a bright flame; But after a while, both camphor and flame disappear. In the same way, God-consciousness Supplants ego-consciousness at first; But eventually, Even the awareness 'I am He' dissolves." Yet Jnaneshwar directly goes on to say: "One who comes under the influence of a saint Has arrived at the gates of Liberation; He will attain all glory. Jnanadev says: I delight in the company of the saints! It is due to their grace that I see Hari everywhere, In the forest, in the crowds, and also in my Self." The understanding of Jnaneshwar's statement may completely depend on what he means by God. If God, Guru and Self are one then Jnaneshwar is saying that the Enlightened have no awareness of the Self! Jnaneshwar more than implies that he has experienced the end of God Consciousness but if he has, then how can see "Hari everywhere"? Thanks for any insights. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 advaitin, "imageoneus" <imageoneus> wrote: > Here is a statement from Jnaneshwar in his Haripatha that I find > really odd. It is quite puzzling to me: > > > ".................> Yet Jnaneshwar directly goes on to say: > > "One who comes under the influence of a saint > Has arrived at the gates of Liberation; > He will attain all glory. > Jnanadev says: I delight in the company of the saints! > It is due to their grace that I see Hari everywhere, > In the forest, in the crowds, and also in my Self." > > The understanding of Jnaneshwar's statement may completely depend on > what he means by God. If God, Guru and Self are one then Jnaneshwar > is saying that the Enlightened have no awareness of the Self! > > Jnaneshwar more than implies that he has experienced the end of God > Consciousness but if he has, then how can see "Hari everywhere"?...." > > Namaste Kris, i think that realization of Self let see "Hari everywhere" because the ego-mind has disappeared....and so.....the limited being of body- mind-intellect is dissolved in "everything" what is percieved..... maybe it's like coming out of prison....and seeing no more walls.... but an open and "unlimited space".... which is the "unlimited" space of a liberated (individual) soul there will be nothing but this Self in and around any being(s) .....and so,....after some spiritual "understanding and experience", Maya is known in whole of caracteristics it could appear...... and also disappear the company of Saints is like the exit(door) of the "prison".... indead....once this door has been opened..... it let "understand" the difference of entrence and exit door(s)... the heart remain endless thankfull for the help that Saints do.... constantly......for everybody.....and "everything" the end of mysteries only few (mysterious) words and thoughts.... sorry if i didn't answer the question you were expecting....and so didn't bring you some insights Regards peace and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 advaitin, "imageoneus" <imageoneus> wrote: > Here is a statement from Jnaneshwar in his Haripatha that I find > really odd. It is quite puzzling to me: > > > "When one receives the grace of a saint, > His ego-consciousness dissolves; > Eventually, even God-consciousness will dissolve. > If you light a piece of camphor, > It produces a bright flame; > But after a while, both camphor and flame disappear. > In the same way, God-consciousness > Supplants ego-consciousness at first; > But eventually, > Even the awareness 'I am He' dissolves." > > Yet Jnaneshwar directly goes on to say: > > "One who comes under the influence of a saint > Has arrived at the gates of Liberation; > He will attain all glory. > Jnanadev says: I delight in the company of the saints! > It is due to their grace that I see Hari everywhere, > In the forest, in the crowds, and also in my Self." > > The understanding of Jnaneshwar's statement may completely depend on > what he means by God. If God, Guru and Self are one then Jnaneshwar > is saying that the Enlightened have no awareness of the Self! > > Jnaneshwar more than implies that he has experienced the end of God > Consciousness but if he has, then how can see "Hari everywhere"? Namaste, Kris-ji and others When the thought 'I am He' dissolves that is what advaita is. There is no more 'I' that is distinct from 'He'. Both are the same Self. You are concluding, Kris-ji, from this that "the Enlightened have no awareness of the Self". This conclusion you are saying from your point of view which has a duality built into your very sentence. When the Enlightened has 'become' ( ! ) the Self, then where is the 'need' to talk about 'awareness of the Self'? But when the Enlightened has to talk to you and me what else can he say except 'I see Hari everywhere' ! It is very very difficult for us to get into the shoes of the 'Enlightened' much less to see what the Enlightened 'sees'. I am sorry my language is failing here!!! PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 advaitin, "imageoneus" <imageoneus> wrote: > Here is a statement from Jnaneshwar in his Haripatha that I find > really odd. It is quite puzzling to me: > > > "When one receives the grace of a saint, > His ego-consciousness dissolves; > Eventually, even God-consciousness will dissolve. > If you light a piece of camphor, > It produces a bright flame; > But after a while, both camphor and flame disappear. > In the same way, God-consciousness > Supplants ego-consciousness at first; > But eventually, > Even the awareness 'I am He' dissolves." Namste I-ji, This is simply saying that nothing ever happened. It is the concept of Ajativada. First on realisation, the separate 'I' or ego disappears but spontaneously comes the realisation that creation, the big 'I' or Siva also don't exist. There never was a Saguna Brahman concept or creation. There was only ever Nir Guna Brahman....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Thanks to all for your comments on Jnaneshwar's statement. It gives me much to ponder about. But his statement is clearer to me now. Namaste, Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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