Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 List Moderator's Note: List wants to thank the members for their continued support to list policies and guidelines. Please do not include the previous posters' messages in the tail end (or in the beginning) of your message while sending your replies. Both the new members and other members do seem to continue to repeat doing this. The list appreciates your cooperation in keeping the message crisp and clear by removing all unnecessary parts of previous messages. (As it was done in this message!) Dear All, Naraka and Swarga are actually psychological states. Dante's Divina Commedia highlights 3 states - Inferno, Purgatorio & Paradiso. " Only he who has gone through Hell, can reach Heaven"! Aurobindo ) This is the Law of the Way - no thorns, no roses, no Hell no Heaven, no pain no gain , no Cross, no Crown ! All that religions and mythologies depict is Symbolism. Many believe that Christ, Krishna and others were historical; they are merely symbols of Universal Verities ! Many believe that Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine etc. They are symbolic, allegorical and mythological. The poets wanted us to behave like these Exemplars, so that Earth will be turned divine!. We find terrorists and others are carried away by literalism ! G Kumar Astro Scholar, Philosopher & Programmer www.e.com www.astrologiavedica.com www.astrognosis.com - K.B.S. Ramachandra <ram <advaitin> Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:28 PM How does hell (naraka) jell with advaita? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Dear friends, namaste. It is my understanding that a jIva keeps going on and on in a cycle of birth and death (re-incarnating repeatedly). Good karma grants not only favourable circumstances on earth but also time inbetween lives in chandralOka and brahmalOka. On mOksha, one realizes brahman and thereby having realized the truth, gets out of the cycle of birth and death. This understanding as such, does not seem to provide for naraka (hell). naraka is referenced in mahAbhAratha. Manu Smrithi says that there are several narakas (21?). It also warns about indiscretions that are likely to throw one into higher (deeper?) narakas. - Is there any reference to naraka in shruti (andha tamas?) ? - Is there an explanation for the stories of yama (the lord of death / naraka), chitra-gupta (yama's assistants -- keeping tabs on jIvas' Ayushya [time-to-live]), etc. ? Are they only to scare the ignorant so they don't stray from the path of dharma ? - Does shankarAchArya comment on swarga (chandralOka, brahmalOka), naraka, re-incarnation, etc. ? I would highly appreciate your learned views and explanations. Best regards, Ramachandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 advaitin, E <e@s...> wrote: > All that religions and mythologies depict is Symbolism. Many believe that > Christ, Krishna and others were historical; they are merely symbols of > Universal Verities ! Many believe that Jesus walked on water, turned water > into wine etc. They are symbolic, allegorical and mythological. Namaste, I'm afraid there is too much smoke to deny the fires of Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc as actual historical figures. IMHO They were Avatars and Muktas in the very least. The onus is on the debunkers to prove that they didn't exist, a kind of Occam's razor in reverse. http://tinyurl.com/77tmr ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 List Moderator's Note: List wants to thank the members for their continued support to list policies and guidelines. Please do not include the previous posters' messages in the tail end (or in the beginning) of your message while sending your replies. Both the new members and other members do seem to continue to repeat doing this. The list appreciates your cooperation in keeping the message crisp and clear by removing all unnecessary parts of previous messages. (As it was done in this message!) Dear T, Too much emphasis and personality cults, see where we have reached . 9/11. 7/7. People priding themselves as the followers of Mohammed, Jesus and Krishna. Too much literalism. Let us follow the dictates of Wisdom. There are no external enemies. Only internal enemies. Who should be overcome. Lust, greed, anger, jealousy, Sloth, Covetousness and Gluttony ! The Seven Enemies of Man ! The Seven Deadly sins ! Let our positive aspect overcome our negative aspect. This is the real symbolic meaning of Kurukshetra War ! Love, Dharma, Peace, Truth and Prajna ( the discriminative Intellect ) are symbolic of the Five Pandavas. Let them win over Lust ( Duryodhana ) & Anger ( Dussasana ) and other vices. Dharmakshetre Kurukshetre ! The Highest Wisdom is Love G Kumar Astro Scholar, Philosopher & Programmer www.e.com Zodiac Computers 3/528 T K S S Bldgs East Nada, Guruvayuir Kerala India 680101 info tel: fax: mobile: 9104872552851 ICQ No 292736014 00919388556053 - Tony OClery <aoclery <advaitin> Friday, July 22, 2005 6:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Dear Sri. Ramachandra-ji, Namaste. > > - Is there any reference to naraka in shruti (andha tamas?) ? There is a mention about andha thamas in Br.Upanishad 4th adhyAya ; andham tamaH pravishanti yEAvidya mupAsatE | tatO bhUya iva tE tamO ya u vidyAyAm tataH || (Those who worship with false understanding enter dense, unrelenting darkness; to a greater darkness than that go they, who are merely devoted to the correct understanding (without rejecting false knowledge) ) . This also appears in IshAvyAsya verse 9. Regards, Srinivas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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