Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Namaste all. I am back at my desk after a gap of a few days. I tried to catch up with the varied debates on Jivan-mukti, Sannyasa, Karma, Bhakti and Jnana. But I think it is going to be difficult to be able to precisely report or recall what each member is saying. So what I write below is only a general response in the light of what I have understood of the debate after a quick browsing through the mails. At the same time let us respect Ramchandranji’s and Nair-ji’s appeals not to endlessly drag this topic of Jivanmukta and Sannyasa by repeating ourselves. Accordingly this post, though it may be in response to the thought processes of the other thread, has actually a different focus. First let me recall my apologies made in my post (of 29th July): http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m26430.html where I had said I was writing hurriedly. Well, I used the word ‘mental sannyasa’ there. It appears this usage has given rise to some confusion. Here ‘mental’ refers to the attitude. It is the attitude of renunciation that is important rather than the physical sannyasa itself. This sentence also can be misinterpreted. I hope it will not be. In the shastras very often one finds statements something like the following. “ If you do such and such a wrong thing, then you will be committing the sin of killing a cow in Kashi on the banks of the Ganges!” This does not mean that it is alright to kill a cow at places other than Kashi! The emphasis is only on the enormity of the sin – there is no intention of saying that you are allowed to kill a cow anywhere else. So also when I say that it is the attitude that is important rather than the physical renunciation, it does not mean to bring down the importance of physical renunciation. Read in the right spirit, it means that without the right attitude, the physical renunciation itself will lose its value. And I have noticed that many of the members have also pointed this out in their own way. Secondly, just as Sannyasa has to be necessarily accompanied by the right attitude, so also the concept of advaita itself loses its significance if it is interpreted as a ‘kriya-advaita’ (advaita in action), rather than as a ‘bhava-advaita’ (advaita in attitude). All our shastras emphasize and insist on bhava-advaita only. If ‘You’ and ‘I’ are one and the same according to advaita, it does not mean that your property is mine! It is only the attitude of oneness that is recommended, not the actual oneness in the vyvavaharika plane. (Gita 18 – 20). The attitude of oneness must imply first of all that ‘your’ sorrows must be ‘mine’ before any other oneness is declared, recommended or practised. Again this sentence could be distorted by using the advaita plank itself. For example, when I use the word ‘sorrow’ one could say: ‘Where is sorrow for an advaitin? Sorrow is there only when there is duality!’. This is again another example of mixing the vyvaharik plane with the absolute. Most of our misunderstandings in advaita discussions can be traced to this single fault in the logic. As a mathematician I used to say that this is like ‘division by zero’ in mathematics. This single fault of ‘division by zero’ made explicitly or implicitly can lead to all sorts of fallacious statements in mathematics. So also by mixing the vyvaharika plane and the paramarthika plane one could tear to pieces most of the statements asserted by advaita. This mixing of two planes itself is a cause of confusion to the beginning advaitin. I have recently discovered an analogy from the world of TV serials (‘soup’ plays). Mostly the same actors play different roles in the different serials. Several serials are telecast every day. Now let us think of someone who is watching several serials day by day. Actor A is a husband in one serial of actress B. In another serial (say, which has a time slot adjacent to the other one in the TV schedules), actress B is the sister of Actor A. A new entrant to the audience of these serials, confuses himself with the roles of A and B in the different serials and asks a question: Why do they show such scenes as somebody going to bed with his sister? Well, the veteran watcher of these serials knows what kind of confusion the new watcher has landed himself into. The latter has mixed up the roles of A and B in the two serials!. This is exactly the case with our initiate in advaitin, who asks: If there is only one non-dual reality, then what is the need to pray or worship or do bhakti? The existence of the one non-dual reality is in the absolute level, whereas the praying or worshipping or doing bhakti is in the vyavaharik level. A Jivanmukta is so called because he can be in either of the planes according to ‘his will’, which, if you ask him, he will ascribe to ‘divine will’, because he has no other will except divine will. When we understand him in the Absolute plane as a Jivanmukta, we are looking at one of his roles only. When we understand him in the vyvaharik plane, he appears to be one among us. Those of us (Don’t include me -- I have never had that good fortune) who have seen Ramana Maharshi in action, going about asking people at their lunch to have one more serving, or asking a visitor about his travel, must be thinking how is it this Jivanmukta cares to delve into these mundane questions? The same thing about mAyA. In the absolute plane there is only one non-dual reality. There is no mAyA there. But in the vyvavaharika plane, everything is mAyA. The vyavaharik plane itself is a mAya; but mark it, not to to somebody in the vyavaharik plane, but to some one who is outside of it! To be outside of it, you have to surrender to Him when you are inside of it. Those who surrender to Me when they are in the vyavaharik plane, I will take them out of the vyavaharik plane to My Absolute Plane, -- says the Lord, in so many words, very explicitly in 7-14 and 18-66. Well, I started with something in mind; but it has turned out to be something else. That again, is God’s Will! PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Prof. V. Krishnamurthy New on my website, particularly for beginners in Hindu philosophy: Empire of the Mind: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/ManversusMind.html Free will and Divine will - a dialogue: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/FWDW.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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