Why does existence Come out of God and why is it called The Mother

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Why does existence Come out of God and why is it called The Mother

 

 

balakrishna has joined the conference.

 

arunachala has joined the conference.

 

jaya has joined the conference.

 

arunachala: hello

bindu: Namaste everyone; please meet jaya, he is the fellow who is

helping with the editing of the book. Jaya, these are good men.

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Jaya: Hi everyone

 

balakrishna: Please accept adiyen's respectful pranams!

 

Jaya: i talked once to Arunachala

 

arunachala: hi jaya.

 

Jaya: thank you, what part of India do you live

 

arunachala: i live in Manitoba, Canada

 

Jaya:Yes i know arunachala; i meant to ask Balakrishna.

 

balakrishna: my jiva just moved from California to Hyderabad

 

Jaya: How is Canada Arun

 

balakrishna: Hare Krishna, From California, USA to Hyderabad India

 

Jaya: Is that south of Delhi?

 

balakrishna: yes it is ji.

 

arunachala: ah pretty good nice and temperate weather.

 

arunachala: i do yoga

 

Jaya: Yes, Arun you are a yogi not a trendy who will put the body in

this position and wear some colorful cloth....I used to live in a

very new age trendy place with many yoga schools.

 

Jaya: yes Broome WA

 

bindu: Broome is about 1500 miles north of my house.

 

Jaya: Yes just down the road from Perth. A few snakes skins up the

road....Petra had a beautiful black face Python around her body the

other day at the market, she looked so natural so many life's in

ancient Egypt.

 

bindu: so arun, what have you been up to?

 

arunachala: Mostly working at Boston pizza and various chores around

the house.

 

bindu: How is the job going?

 

arunachala: i don't like it that much so i want to get a new one.and

i got some more job applications. Hopefully my throat will get better

so i can get one of those telecom jobs.

 

bindu: m. How is your knee doing?

 

arunachala: It's getting better actually, thanks be to god. maybe in

a year i will be able to ride my bike and run again.

 

bindu: mm. if you had not had that problem you would not have been

able to stay still long enough to grow as much as you have in your

sadhana so it is all good. Your inner process knows what is

happening ...

 

arunachala: lol yes probably so; Shiva is hard on me.

 

Jaya: It is SO all that happens is pushing us to realize Siva.

 

bindu: Yes, but Siva is only as hard as we are stubborn; the more we

let go of resistance the easier it gets.

 

Because all is the Self, who are we resisting? The more we push out

the ego into life the more life pushes back. The more loving we are

the more life is enjoyable.

 

arunachala: ya

 

bindu: People are always trying to become something or achieve

something; we should all realize He is the doer, then everything is

his responsibility. This does not mean stop doing, it means do the

things that are duty and let Him take care of the results; if we do

not trust Him to take care of the results then we are faithless.

Hence He shows us by the difficult situations - exactly what the

results of our lack of faith are we are the instruments He is the one

who wields them

 

arunachala: ya

 

bindu: This is what is means when it is said: "I AM NOT THE DOER".

it is not to mean i will not do anything that will mean you are DOING

NOTHING. i.e. still doing!

 

Above it was mentioned that we should do our duty, which lands us in

a minefield of opinion as to what is duty. The only duty that is not

ego driven is to act with compassion, love and understanding toward

all beings; as that is what it means to do His Will .... "Gods Will

is To Love Himself... So being that He is the only Self in existence,

our duty is to Love also. Jesus said it: "Love Thy Neighbor as

Thyself" but this is taken to mean love him as much as you love

yourself... NO... it is not that way at all ... IT means LITERALLY

love him AS yourself. AS THE SELF!. This is our duty. We should o all

acts in this understanding this is true Seva.

 

However, having, doing, owning, existing as the one who is not

existing as is the case of the Buddhists... all are doers.

 

Jaya: It is to see your real identity is HE and HE Does All through

His will of not doing... It is a.great Paradox.

 

bindu: Realizing who is The I Am one does not think one is the doer

anymore... one does not attain me ... I attain SELF-realization as

The I AM is the Self.

 

So then like the Bible says: Surrender all works unto Him.

 

The prayer goes:

For thine is the kingdom the power and the glory forever and ever

Amen!

 

There is the Idea of sacrifice also:

This means to give the responsibility of bringing about and enjoying

all actions to Him, this is the sacrifice. It is to let go of the

results of actions thus its implementation is also the exercising of

faith. When we do this He gives us His grace and we feel it as great

love and bliss; which is much more enjoyable than anything we can get

by the achievement of results for personal gratification.

 

So again it is said: What we sow ... we also reap! Om Tat Sat.

 

There is no mystery at all; it is very very simple.

 

The mystery and the confusion come when we try to justify the

rejection of one mode of knowing. It comes when we will not accept.

When we have little faith.

 

When we reject we must build an elaborate confusing edifice of

philosophy to hide the rejection in complexity. This is what has

happened to almost all religions. They have lost the meaning of

omnipresence. This occurred because men tried to prove THEY knew

what The Self was saying . They tries to attain egoic position. When

no one knew but He Himself.

 

It is just like the rich man who wants to be seen as the highest in

the land. Men want to be the ones who know more than all others.

it is another form of egoic behavior is all. They wanted to be

honored by their peers or be set on pedestals....... thus it was Sri

Krishna playing tricks on them as their OWN Jeeva.

 

arunachala: ya

 

bindu: However we should have great compassion for them; as this is

acceptance; however we must be careful of the pride hidden in

compassion else it will become arrogance as in the fact of

thinking "I" am helping "YOU". Who is the "i" mentioned there but

Ego? No, He helps Himself in all beings by allow compassion to come

through those who do his work.

 

What we should know is that the Lord has made compassion appear in us

then we should be humble that he has done that because in our giving

WE ourselves are getting because the one we give to is The self ...

WHO IS WHO WE ARE!

 

Hence again: We reap what we sow!

 

But Neither should we give in order to get... or with the intent to

get. We should give because HE gets joy from receiving, not from

giving. The secret of giving is very very deep indeed.

 

Neither should we think WE give; it is HE WHO GIVES THRU US.

 

Nor should we say "i" am wonderful because HE gave such and such

THRU "ME".

 

We should give ALL to HIM ALL ALL ALL ALL.

 

Then it is up to Him to give the grace or withhold it. Then we must

give back the grace. Giving it back causes it to multiply like

compound interest.

 

To give back the grace He gives; we should do Sadhana then He will

make us into his instruments.

 

Selfishness is of the Jeeva. He who thinks he owns a thing is a thief

selfishness is required so that Jeeva can exist. In the absence of

selfishness IN SELFLESSNESS the Jeeva does not exist.

 

Thus if there are no individuals ... He is the omnipresent Self.

 

arunachala: yes

 

bindu: On the other hand if individuality is real .. there is

selfishness. which CAUSES Jeeva to exist.

 

Non-ownership, non-clinging, non resistance, renunciation of thinking

you are a renunciate ... these are what we seek.

 

Where are the questions dear friends?

 

Jaya: Petra is trying to think of a QUESTION she had the other day

around where tension arises in Siva.

 

bindu: oh ok. Does Petra want to know how it comes or why it is seen

as feminine or Sakti ?

 

Jaya: Both while your at it!

 

bindu: The how of it is due to the fact that The Self "IS"

conscious... this is so in this way------->

 

Jaya: do you mean tension brings consciousness?

 

bindu: Please wait Jaya you will see.

 

We say "HE" but what He actually "IS" cannot be spoken or written.

 

The "HE" (or God) comes the moment there is the reference made to

existence. This reference is The Idea called "I"; but there is no

saying or asking "I" it comes as and from the fact that he exists. In

that reference there is the reflection in HIS own psychic-space of

who He is....

 

bindu: Now this next part is very hard to express and harder to

understand, so please bare with me.

 

bindu: Because he IS EVERYTHING that exists (as well as everything

that does not exist) .......... the reflection that comes in his own

PSYCHIC space (which space comes with existence also) what arises is

the whole of TIME and ALL it contains will contain , did contain and

might contain by permutation in its' interactions within His own

conscious being existing as existence. It comes into being as what is

called the ParamAtma .

 

This concludes the answer to the 1st part of the question.

 

Now...

..

The psychic space is the Primal Sakti, because due to the fact that

it comes ..it is possible for him to be conscious of the ParamAtma

Having come... it is called the Mother of existence (Kali etc)

because existence is born in it like in a womb....but pay attention

here.

 

All that i have answered in this subject says it comes into

existence ...... as if it did not previously exist; it is both

existing and not existing ... it is on the way into existence and on

the way out of existence... and all positions and modes of

manifestation in between; such that when we say it came - we are

using that as a tool in order to explain it.

 

It exists at all level it has always existed at all levels; it is

eternal beingness in the act of existing; to coin a phrase: "It is

the I-amness of The Self". This coming and going, goes on in every

single atom of existence even quantum physics proves it.

 

So then this is the nature of the conscient-consciousness: Conscient

means it is conscious of consciousness. but is not simply

consciousness.

 

So then from the point of Becoming, the Primal Sakti, the rest comes

in all its diversity to manifest as uncountable realms, lokas,

heavens, worlds, stars, atoms and so on .... even uncountable beings

knowing existence at their own level.

 

Hence knowership of who The I Am is ... has been expressed. "AS"

existence itself. Thus REAL Realization is to understand the truth of

Omnipresent omniscience; and hence the Jeeva is so tiny as to be a

joke

Om Tat Sat.

 

Jaya: conscient this word i couldn't find in the dictionary the

other day.....So what it means is Conscious of Consciousness?

Petra says thank you for the teaching.

 

Yes if we refer to the conscient Self (THE REAL SELF) - that of

which "HE IS OR CAN BE CONSCIOUS" is - and "CAN ONLY BE" Himself

 

VIS: HE is conscient. He is aware and conscious at one and the same

time of consciousness.

 

Jaya: Is it a word that i can use in the book because i didn't find

it in the dictionary?

 

bindu: Yes Jaya. However its' use is very strict.

 

Jaya: Oh lets examine this ---

 

bindu: OK. When i was trying to learn how to understand this in words

i tried inventing words. One was: "Inconscientiousness" to signify

Conscious-Being beyond consciousness.

 

Jaya: Interesting, yes English is limited. Aware/conscious is what i

want to examine. Aware is before consciousness. Conscious before

aware but to know is consciousness which is the reflective mirror to

see.

 

bindu: To refer to the inconscient consciousness ... cannot be

understood

but since The Self is the only ONE who is conscious He is conscient.

 

I call it naked reality. Nothing can be said if we want to describe

it as it has no attributes. It is called Siva. It is called the

transcendental consciousness of Sri Krishna also;: but it is like the

clear light in which the day resides. It is colorless, formless-

infinite-light.

 

Recall above we talked of the psychic space?

 

Jaya: Yes interesting way to express appearances in Space.

 

bindu: To picture the psychic space as empty ... (although it can

never be empty) think of the reflection of a clear-still pool then

know that the reflection is not necessary once you see your face in

the mirror... you can then smash the mirror of the mind.

 

This is as close as words can come to saying it, because words are

reflections also; they are concepts. so when we smash the mirror

there is no limitation anymore. It is utter transcendental being NOT

CONSCIOUSNESS. Think try to understand ... go back back back back.

 

Jaya: Isn't it more to the point that there then isn't a reflection,

because its all yourself

 

bindu: YAY! he got it. So then when we see it is all The Self there

is no reflection; there is no more mirror. Pool, image and knower of

it are one. then The Self knows His infinite beingness as described

above.

 

Now the GIVING the grace!!! comes BY ACCEPTING IT AS SELF! By faith

in it; by non-resistance. But it is said that it is up to God to give

His grace.

 

Jaya: lets take the idea of no mind, the wrong idea is taken that

there is no thinking/ thought but its that its all you thought and

All.

 

bindu: Which YOU? What YOU? What is known by whom?

What MIND? What idea? Whose IDEA? here is the answer.

 

IN THAT HE THINKS ... THAT HE IS THINKING .........THERE LIES HIS

ERROR.

 

Jaya: YOU=SIVA=MIND all ONE.

 

bindu: Yes, hence "A MIND" never existed .. mind arises as thought

but thought is thought to be thought only from the standpoint of the

individual.

 

So it is reflection thinking it is real; such idiocy!

 

Jaya: Yes, Hence the use of the idea no mind!

 

bindu: Yes, but who has NO MIND? who can attain NO MIND? Only he who

is existing BY NOT existing THAT"S WHO! i.e Jeeva in his state of

ignorance which is the consciousness of the void of the deep sleep

state.

 

Jaya: No one there was nothing to attain by a someone when there

isn't a someone the riddle is self solved.

 

bindu: Yes. but The Self is not unconscious He is fully conscious "AS

EXISTENCE ITSELF"!

 

It might be said however that existence is not real or that it is a

dream etc... that is correct only in the context of thinking that

what is perceived as existing at this moment is real. but even as the

messages about the existence of the outer-reality is heading thru the

nervous system to the brain, what existed as that traveling

perception has ceased to be already.. as time has passed.

 

So we can never know by the mind, organism or instrument what

actually exists as no matter when we perceive or measure is the past.

 

Jaya: It is also because the world is taken as separate from the one

who is conscious.

 

bindu: Yes, so when the world is not separate it exists as the body

of god

as the ParamAtma; it is coming into being as described above at all

modes, levels and tangents inward and outward at once. He exists in

the past in the NOW and in the future ... He existed before during

and after and all times in between. He said I Am The Alpha And the

Omega... The Beginning and the end.

 

This talk today is huge.... its been going on for hours... but this

is like existence; it has been going on eternally; "It exists"!

 

Jaya: Beyond Space time it keeps going. The I am is Conscious so it

exists. Or alternately I Am Conscious so it exists. Both are

identical!

 

bindu: Sri Krishna says: "Everything exists in my potency"!

Yes thus jaya, it is said that knowledge is ignorance.

 

We can talk for ever and ever and ever;: but the wisdom is not

knowledge

 

Jaya: Ignorance is space.

 

bindu: Wisdom is love WHICH loves The Self. after having seen His

infinitude; now let us end this discourse.

 

Jaya: yes

 

bindu: Namaste everyone