purana question ?

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

I have a question which I'm not sure if it should be attributed to a Purana or

other scripts.

It is said that Lord Sanishwara cannot exert his powers over a hanuman devotee

or a Vinayaka devotee. can anybody point me as to where in the scriptures its

mentioned about this.. ?

 

thanks

Guruprasad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is based on general Jyotisha principles:

 

 

 

In Jyotisha, Hanuman and Ganesha are represented by the planets Mars and

Ketu respectively. The 12 rasis of the zodiac are all owned by one of the

planets. In addition, each planet is exalted (powerful) or debilitated

(powerless) in a particular house.

 

 

 

If we look at the relationship between Saturn and Hanuman (Mars), we can

observe the following: Mars (Hanuman) is exalted in Saturn's house, while

Saturn is debilitated in Mars' (Hanuman's) house. Mars triumphs over Saturn.

Thus, Shani cannot exert his power over a devotee of Hanuman (Mars).

 

 

 

The relationship between Shani and Ganesha is two-fold. Firstly, Ketu

(Ganesha) is of the same nature as Mars. This is why both Mars and Ketu

co-lord Scorpio together. So, just as Mars is victorious over Saturn, Ketu

has some of the same characteristics. However, it is easier to see based on

the very nature of Saturn and Ketu. Saturn's purpose is to punish us for our

mistakes and indulgences, to make us reflect and inquire into the nature of

the universe. Ketu, the headless (egoless) planet has already shed his ego,

and is the very significator of moksha itself. Shani (Saturn) cannot punish

one who has already shed his ego and reached moksha. i.e. vyavaharika

'punishments' do not affect the gyani in any way. Thus, Shani cannot exert

his power over a devotee of Ganesha (Ketu).

 

 

 

I hope this made sense.

 

 

 

ajit

 

 

 

_____

 

advaitin [advaitin] On Behalf

Of Guru Venkat

Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:31 PM

advaitin

purana question ?

 

 

 

Namaste,

I have a question which I'm not sure if it should be attributed to a Purana

or other scripts.

It is said that Lord Sanishwara cannot exert his powers over a hanuman

devotee or a Vinayaka devotee. can anybody point me as to where in the

scriptures its mentioned about this.. ?

 

thanks

Guruprasad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit@m...> wrote:

> This is based on general Jyotisha principles:

>

>> I hope this made sense.

>

 

Namaste, Ajit-ji

 

I read through your answer in full. I am amazed at the plausibility of

the answer. Is it your own conclusion or you have some authority in

the form of references?

 

PraNAms to all.

profvk

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ajitji and Prof. Krishnamurthyji.

 

I am an astrologer myself - not a commercial one yet of course - and

have spent a lot of time researching into the subject.

 

Ajit-ji's explanation is really good. However, I am afraid it is also

questionable. Ketu is mokshakaraka. However, he partakes of the

qualities of Mars (Mangal). Saturn also stands for lethargy, sloth,

delay (Mind you all, he is lame - so the slowness is but natural).

It is, therefore, a point to be pondered why Mars, the fighter full

of bloody enthusiasm, gets exalted in the house of the lame (Makara

Rasi)! Besides, there are different schools of opinion in Indian

astrology which attribute exaltation to Ketu in different houses.

Scorpio (Vrischika) is just one of them.

 

Sani's lameness is attributed to Sir Ravana, who crippled him with

his famous ChandrahAsa sword when by transit Sani was anticipated to

occupy an unfavourable rAsi at the time of Ravana's son Indrajit's

birth. Thus, Ravana severed one of Saturn's legs in order to slow

down the motion of the planet. However, Indrajit perished at a very

young age in his battle with Lakshmana. That is the tragedy with

which Ravana paid for his impetuousness. That is another story.

 

I don't know where in our purAnAs this story can be found. I got it

from a pious lady's spiritual discourse at our local Devi temple in

Palghat several years ago.

 

I believe this story perhaps explains why Sani is in fear of

Hanumanji. Hanumanji is the tormentor of the feared Ravana (Mahi-

Ravana Mardana is one of the 108 names of Anjaneya.), who

incapacitated Sani. Naturally then, Hanumanji is the tormentor of

the tormentor. He, therefore, gains supremacy and respect from Sani.

 

Sani, in addition to the negative qualities mentioned above, also

indicates obstacles. Lord Vinayaka assures removal of obstacles.

This explains why appeasement of Ganesha is prescribed for Saturn's

afflictions.

 

Thanks to Ajit-ji for looking at the question from the angle of

astrology. I don't want to dwell on the astrological aspect of the

story any further for fear of straying from List objectives.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

[Guest guest]

Namaste:

 

Our Puranic stories are mostly symbolic reflections to strengthen our

beliefs of the facts stated in the scriptures. The symbolism and

context of the Puranic stories along with the characters and their

significacnce are quite important to uncover the subtle message

behind those stories.

 

The horoscope symbolically represents the blue-print path of life

mostly based on past karma (vasanas using the Vedanta terminology).

Horoscope is also considered as the map of influence of planets in

the sky at the time of one's birth. Based on the birth details, the

astrologer constructs the horoscope using planetary situations at the

time of birth. The horoscope model assume that our past karma

influences the time, location and other environmental situations and

also further influences our future. The key question that one should

ask is - Is it possible to alter the path of life influenced by the

past karma? This the often discussed question in this list with the

title – "fate or freewill?" As we all know there are no

satisfactorily accepted answer to this question one way or other.

 

The role of karma and its influence on one's life is beautifully

stated in the web page:

http://www.new-visions.com/karma.html

" Karma is the key, designed by the Divine Plan, for our Soul growth

and is based on the Natural Law of cause and effect. There are very

specific consequences for the actions, thoughts and feelings of the

overall energy we emanate from within ourselves everyday. The famed

saying, everything that goes around comes around, perfectly describes

the Law of karma. If we can learn that everything we experience on

this planet is a part of the Earth School, then we can appreciate the

Law of Karma as our Soul's Inner Curriculum Advisor. Our checkmate,

Our trials, tribulations, sicknesses and depression are a reflection

of unexpressed and unresolved issues from the past of this lifetime

as well as previous lifetimes. Rather than gripe about how touch our

life is and our Karmic role, we could embrace these experiences and

see it as an opportunity to develop some much-needed Soul qualities

to add to our Inner Soul Character, which is what we take on with us

after death. Everyday we live in this lifetime as well as our actions

and responses, sets up the days and lessons of our next-coming life."

(I recommend everyone to read the entire article in the webpage).

 

Essentially, our goal should be to develop a positive frame of mind

to enable us to see the beauty and joy of life rather than focusing

on disappointments and failures. The laws of karma provide us the

necessary tools to understand the unknown mysteries that surround us

from every moment of life. With the right frame of mind, we can

build our character and personality that can keep the mind clean

without impurities. Sankara's Vedantic philosophy states that a Yogi

with the purified mind personifies the realized Atman.

 

Let us now try to answer the posed question raised by Sri

Guruprasad. The symbolic translation of this question is the

following – Can the ill effects of karma (represented by Lord

Sanishwara) be neutralized using powers gained by true devotion to

Lord Hanuman and Lord Vinayaka.? The answer to the question is yes

for those who have faith in the symbolic ideals reflected through

Lord Hanuman and Lord Vinayaka. Those who develop an attitude of

life similar to Lord Hanuman in Ramayana will be able to successfully

evaporate all agitations by totally surrendering the ego, the cause

of all miseries! A true Hanuman devotee should acquire the

qualities exhibited by Hanumanji! Lord Vinayaka represents Om or the

Pranava, which is the chief Mantra among the Hindus. Nothing can be

done without uttering it. This explains the practice of invoking

Vinayaka before beginning any karma (rite or activities). When we

become a true devotee of Lord Vinayaka we recognize our true

identity – Om or the Atman and disassociate from the false identity

with body-mind-intellect.

 

In conclusion, as advaitins, we should recognize the effects of karma

affect the body-mind-intellect and the Atman is always free from

karma. In other words, the powers of Lord Vinyaka and Lord Hanuman

will enable us to recognize our true divine identity that is

eternally ever liberated from karma!

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

Note: please consider this as one possible explanation for the

question raised and other explanations and corrections to my

explanations are always welcome.

 

advaitin, "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit@m...> wrote:

> This is based on general Jyotisha principles:

>

>

>

> In Jyotisha, Hanuman and Ganesha are represented by the planets

Mars and

> Ketu respectively.

> _____

>

> advaitin [advaitin] On

Behalf

>

>

> Namaste,

> I have a question which I'm not sure if it should be attributed to

a Purana

> or other scripts.

> It is said that Lord Sanishwara cannot exert his powers over a

hanuman

> devotee or a Vinayaka devotee.

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...>

wrote:

> Namaste:

>

> Our Puranic stories are mostly symbolic reflections to strengthen

our

> beliefs of the facts stated in the scriptures. The symbolism and

> context of the Puranic stories along with the characters and their

> significacnce are quite important to uncover the subtle message

> behind those stories.

>

>

> Ram Chandran

>

 

Namste Ram Chandran-Ji:

 

You are absolutely correct with your comments on the general subject

matter pertaining to puraana.

 

Actually Veda Vyasa preaches this point very clearly.

 

itihaasapuraaNaabhyaa.m veda.m samupabR^i.mhayet .

bibhetyalpashrutaadvedo maamaya.m prahariShyati |(mahaabhaarta

Adiparva 1.293-294)

 

Meaning – vedaa's upabR^i.mhaNa (understanding) should be done with

the help of itihaasa and puraaNaa. When this is not done, by the a

partially learned individual (alpashR^ita) then veda is concerned

and is afraid that the individual is trying to beat him up.

 

Even during Vyasa's times we the subtle hints of discriminatory

practices, which must have bother the great sage. Recognizing that

salvation concepts should not just be limited to the Brahmins alone

and other members of the society should benefit from the knowledge.

I find his comments his comments in bhaagavata very appealing.

 

striishuudradvijabandhuunaa.m trayii na shrutigocaraa . iti

bhaaratamaakhyaana.m kR^iopayaa muninaa kR^itam .. bhaagavata

(1.4.25) ..

 

Often the stories some times appear to be farfetched or even

ridiculous at time; but once we understand their significance as it

applies to our daily life then the take home message reveals in a

profound manner. As an advaitin, we must keep on searching the

hidden significance without getting attached to the stories.

 

Unfortunately, Astrology is not my cup of tea therefore I would

resist my temptations to comment.

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Yadu