Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Namaste Sri Yaduji: Here is the translation along with commentary by Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam (in his Gita Home-study notes). His commentary probably will clarify your question. ---------------------------- maharsmam bhrguraham glramasmyekamaksaram yajnanam japayajno'smi sthavaranatn himalayah (25) maharsinam - among the sages; bhrguh aharn - I am Bhrguh; gleam - among words; asmi ekam aksaram - I am the single syllable (Om): yajnanam - among rituals; japayajnoah asmi -I am the ritual of japa, sthavaranam - among the mountains; himalayah - the Himalayas Among the sages I am Bhrgu, among words I am the single syllable (Om), among rituals I am the ritual of japa, among the mountains, the Himalayas. Among the ancient maharsis, Bhrgu was considered to be the greatest of them all. He is mentioned in the Taittiriyopanisad which says Bhrgu who is the son of Varuna got this knowledge from his father. Here Bhagavan says I am this Bhrgu. Gira means speech. Sankara says that here it means words, pada laksanam. Among the many words, giram, in all languages, there is one phonetic, single syllable, all-inclusive word. That is Om. Phonetically, the word Om does not belong to any language. It is a universal sound consisiting of three vowels, A-U-M. When anybody opens his mouth and makes a sound, it is " a," When he closes his mouth and makes a sound, "m 'is the sound produced. The same "a" becomes "u" when the mouth is rounded. So these are sounds which come naturally to any human being and all other sounds are modifications of "a." All words are combinations of these sounds and all names are words in all languages. So Om. the name of the Lord, is a single syllable representing all words. It is a perfect name for the Lord. How, otherwise, are you going to give him a name? If you give him one name you are excluding all other names - as though, they are not the names of the Lord. This is the difference between the Lord and an object. When you say apple, it means only one object and excludes all others. All other fruits, all other objects are excluded. Similarly if you say Rama, then Krsna, Siva, you and everybody else are excluded. So the Lord's name has to be such that it includes all names. That is why in prayer we repeat a given name 108 times. The Sanskrit letters from "a" to "h" are 54 in number when you include certain forms of letters which are not generally counted. All names are names of the Lord and all names are but words which in turn are letters. The letters in ascending order, arohanam, then descending order, avarohanam amount to 108. Within this alone all words are possible. Therefore if you repeat one name 108 times, you have symbolically repealed all the names of the Lord, known and unknown. That is for Sanskrit. Then phoenetically, all sound in all languages are between "a" when you open your mouth and "m" when you close it. The letter "u" stands for all other sounds in between. So we have Om. When you say Om all names are included so the whole jagat, the apparent form of Isvara, the Lord, are covered. Once you have said Om, you require nothing more. It is a non-linguistic phonetic symbol for the Lord. The Lord is one and non-dual containing within himself all things which are expressed by Om. So Om is non-dually one and "Among the words, I am Om" That is why Omkara is the sound symbol, pratikafov meditation upon Isvara. "A" stands for the waking world, "U" for the thought world and "M" for the unmanifest. It starts with creation, srsti, and resolves into Brahman. Om is this word-symbol for meditation upon parambrahma. It is also a word through which you understand parambrahma. Thus it becomes both a word revealing Brahman and a verbal symbol for meditating upon Isvara. Om as a word means that which protects and sustains everything, avail raksati. In that sense, Om is the name for Isvara. There are many rituals called yajnas, for which you require a number of ingredients. You need a fire which means some small creatures living in the wood you offer may be unwittingly destroyed. You need money to buy the things required to perform the yajna and that money you obtain by competing in the world. In doing so, you may hurt somebody. Your gain is necessarily at the expense of someone else's gain. So in the process of performing the ritual, we unwittingly hurt or destroy many things. To offset these papas we say a few prayers. All rituals and prayers help in acquiring antah-karana-$uddhj. But among them, japa-yajna or mental repetition of the Lord's name is the greatest because you do not harm anything. So among all these various yajnas I am this japa-yajna which incurs no papa. Sthavaranam himalayah, among the mountains, I am the Himalayas. Here about the mountains which may or may not have peaks. Sthavara means that which does not move. So among these immobile mountains, I am the Himalayas, alafam, abode of himam, snow. The distinction of the Himalayas among all the mountains is the vastness of their range. ----------------- This verse is an important verse in chapter 10 of Gita providing His glories. Swamiji correctly observed the implied non-duality between the Lord and everything other than Him. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > Dear List Members: > > I am trying to understand the significance of the following shloka: > > maharshhiiNaaM bhR^igurahaM giraamasmyekamakSharam.h | > yaGYaanaa.n japayaGYo.asmi sthaavaraaNaa.n himaalayaH || 10.25 || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Thank you for Swami Dayananda's interpretation. Is there a link for the home study notes? I think that would really be helpful for many. The question I have is why did kR^iShNa comprre himself with Sage bhR^Iguu? Most of his contributions in R^igveda like 65th in 9th Mandala is cridited for bhR^iguu & jamadaagni. 19th suukta from 10th mandala is cridited with bhR^iguu, cyavana & mathita. He is referred is a referred in over 19 time but always as plural not singular. Although some stories tell his lineage with varuNa, in taittiriiya brahmaNa associated the birth indra. Where as a bhaagavata (4.5.17- 19) the bhR^iguu's birth is described from brahmaa's skin. yasakaa finds the vyatpatti to "bhR^ij" = meaning to roast. In mahaabhaarata the word bhR^ik signifies flames. Some have interpreted bhR^ik as lightening as well. To really top this off bR^iguu was an extremely short tempered but he through his efforts he became sarvadnya and went to svargaloka. bhR^iguu had cursed agni and dethroned nahuSha who was about to acquire indra-pada. He tried to wake up lord vishNuu by essentially kicking him in the chest and then cursed him to take a birth on this Earth. he had cursed Shiva to become the represent linga and his curse on brahma was the really topper that no one will ever worship you. Considering all of the above, the question I am deliberating what may have been the real rational in such a comparison. Hope full this will explain my dilemma in trying to understand the significance. I am convinced that there must be a reason but have not yet come up with a satisfactory rational. Any thoughts? Thank you, Dr. Yadu advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <RamChandran@a...> wrote: > Namaste Sri Yaduji: > > Here is the translation along with commentary by Swami Dayananda > Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam (in his Gita Home-study notes). > His commentary probably will clarify your question. > > ---------------------------- > maharsmam bhrguraham glramasmyekamaksaram > yajnanam japayajno'smi sthavaranatn himalayah (25) > maharsinam - among the sages; bhrguh aharn - I am Bhrguh; > gleam - among words; asmi ekam aksaram - I am the single syllable > (Om): > yajnanam - among rituals; japayajnoah asmi -I am the ritual of japa, > sthavaranam - among the mountains; himalayah - the Himalayas > > Among the sages I am Bhrgu, among words I am the single syllable > (Om), among rituals I am the ritual of japa, among the mountains, the > Himalayas. > > Among the ancient maharsis, Bhrgu was considered to be the greatest > of them all. He is mentioned in the Taittiriyopanisad which says > Bhrgu who is the son of Varuna got this knowledge from his father. > Here Bhagavan says I am this Bhrgu. > > > Warmest regards, > Ram Chandran > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 He tried to wake up lord vishNuu by essentially kicking him in the chest and then cursed him to take a birth on this Earth. praNAms Hare Krishna Yes, in purANa-s bhrugu is well known for his short temper & one can say he is next to dUrvAsa in anger :-)) despite all these notority about bhrugu, lord still identifies himself with him!! what a leela..another interesting identification is *nArada* (dEvarshiNam nAradaM), as we all know the rapport of *sage* nArada in hindu mythology is not so good (let there be aside his bhakti sUtra) ..his mischievous deeds in bringing quarrel between dEva-rAksha-s (and sometimes among dEva-s themselves!!) is well accounted in pUrANa-s & his another name is *kalaha priya* (name itself is self explanatory)...but still lord says I am nArada among dEva rishi-s:-)) Likewise, dyUtaM chalayatAsmi..forthat matter any gambling not good but still lord identifies himself with dice play!! It is also interesting to note that lord first say vEdAnAm sAma vEdOsmi ( in vEda-s I am sAma vEda) & subsequently he says bruhatsAmaM tathA sAmnAM (in sAma vEda I am bruhatsAma)..I am not able to understand why first lord said I am sAma vEda & then declares that he is only part of that vEda i.e. bruhatsAma?? what exactly is this bruhatsAma?? can any sAma vEda scholars clarify this?? Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Namaste Yaduji: Swami Dayananda's Gita Homestudy Notes are available only in printed form at the Arsh Vidya gurukulam website (http://www.arshyavidya.org. I have bought few years back for $200 and it came in 2 binders along with 3 casettes of Gita recitation rendered by Swamiji. The notes contain over 2000 pages and they provide elaborate commentary along with substantial supporting explanation on advaita philosophy. Since chapter is the Vibhuti Yoga, Lord Krishna's reference of Bhrigu should be understood should be understood with the correct context. A careful reexamination of all the verses in chapter would indicate that Lord Krishna compares Himself to the superaltive qualities exhibited. Maharishi Bhrigu is superlatively wellknown for his 'wisdom (vivekam)' and all other qualities such as anger gets dissolved! Everything that is 'super' in the universe (effect) exist only because of the Lord (cause). In otherwords, He says that He is the cause of everything that we observe and recognize. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > Thank you for Swami Dayananda's interpretation. > > Is there a link for the home study notes? I think that would really > be helpful for many. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 The books are also available as 2 large pdf files on 2 cd's for $40. I bought them recently. http://books.arshavidya.org/cgi-bin/process/shop/display/item?prrfnbr=60315 _____ advaitin [advaitin] On Behalf Of Ram Chandran Friday, August 19, 2005 9:52 AM advaitin Re: Help Understand meaning of Gita 10.25 Namaste Yaduji: Swami Dayananda's Gita Homestudy Notes are available only in printed form at the Arsh Vidya gurukulam website (http://www.arshyavidya.org. I have bought few years back for $200 and it came in 2 binders along with 3 casettes of Gita recitation rendered by Swamiji. The notes contain over 2000 pages and they provide elaborate commentary along with substantial supporting explanation on advaita philosophy. Since chapter is the Vibhuti Yoga, Lord Krishna's reference of Bhrigu should be understood should be understood with the correct context. A careful reexamination of all the verses in chapter would indicate that Lord Krishna compares Himself to the superaltive qualities exhibited. Maharishi Bhrigu is superlatively wellknown for his 'wisdom (vivekam)' and all other qualities such as anger gets dissolved! Everything that is 'super' in the universe (effect) exist only because of the Lord (cause). In otherwords, He says that He is the cause of everything that we observe and recognize. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > Thank you for Swami Dayananda's interpretation. > > Is there a link for the home study notes? I think that would really > be helpful for many. > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Beliefs </gads?t=ms&k=Beliefs+of+hinduism&w1=Beliefs+of+hindu ism&w2=Advaita&w3=Bhagavad+gita&w4=Shankara&c=4&s=71&.sig=if5-hDpZdy5fYq1mGW SV3Q> of hinduism Advaita </gads?t=ms&k=Advaita&w1=Beliefs+of+hinduism&w2=Advai ta&w3=Bhagavad+gita&w4=Shankara&c=4&s=71&.sig=TOi0DiQzgKWtTEsxyw8iow> Bhagavad </gads?t=ms&k=Bhagavad+gita&w1=Beliefs+of+hinduism&w2 =Advaita&w3=Bhagavad+gita&w4=Shankara&c=4&s=71&.sig=NZDbvxGHMl3XxbfxnJiRkA> gita Shankara </gads?t=ms&k=Shankara&w1=Beliefs+of+hinduism&w2=Adva ita&w3=Bhagavad+gita&w4=Shankara&c=4&s=71&.sig=MiwOp11dHgElhIiSWylAkA> _____ * Visit your group "advaitin <advaitin> " on the web. * advaitin <advaitin?subject=Un> * <> Terms of Service. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Namaste all. Among great sages, I am Bhrgu. The query is on why Bhrgu. advaitin/message/27607 The answer is already in gIta-10 itself, as was clarified by Shree RamaChandran Ji. Simply put, everything in the whole of creation is an inseparable part of the Lord. It is interesting to trace the whole of creation to its roots. Ch.10 states about the whole of creation having orginated from the Lord. If we go backwards with everything in the whole creation traced to its preceding originating source step by step, (Chandogya Upanishad 6:12:1), then, we will eventually end up with unmanifested Existence as the root, from which the whole manifested Creation originates. Reference: Chandogya Upanishad 6:8:4, 6:2. 6:13:3 That which is the subtle essence, all this has got That as the Self. That is Truth. That is the Self. Thou art That, O Svetaketu. The dialogue continues with Svetaketu asking, "If that Existence is the root of the world, why is It not perceived?". Love and Regards, Raghava Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaste: The chapters 7 to 12 of Gita describe the "Saguna Brahman" for human comprehension of the "Nirguna Brahman." In this regard, chapters 9 and 10 are quite important for relating the "cause and effect." In chapter 9 Lord Krishna emphasizes that the "effect" is a substratum of the "cause." There can be no 'effects' without the 'cause,' but He the cause of all causes is unperturbed by the effects. The two verses of chapter 9 provided the `maya' aspect of His `creation.' He is the 'mayavi' but is unaffected and he is fully excused from the `maya.' Here are these two beautiful verses: Mayaa tatamidam sarvam jagadavyaktamoortinaa; Matsthaani sarvabhootaani na chaaham teshvavasthitah. (Verse 4) All this world is pervaded by Me in My unmanifest aspect; all beings exist in Me, but I do not dwell in them. Na cha matsthaani bhootaani pashya me yogamaishwaram; Bhootabhrinna cha bhootastho mamaatmaa bhootabhaavanah. (Verse 5) Nor do beings exist in Me (in reality): behold My divine Yoga, supporting all beings, but not dwelling in them, is My Self, the efficient cause of beings. These two verses essentially explain the Brahma Vidya (also known as the raajaguhyam Royal Secret). To a large extent, chapter is 9 is quite abstract description `Brahma Vidya' and in chapter 10, Lord Krishna comes down to the human level and explain with examples for human comprehension. Due to our limitations, we have not cultivated our Viveka (Discriminating intellect to distinguish between the `real' and `unreal"). However, our intellect can recognize `all the wonders that we see in the environment' such as the sun, moon, stars, Vedas, mountains, rivers, oceans, etc. Also we know how to discriminate between the objects of our experience – for example, we may say among the rivers, Ganges is the purest. Among the Vedas, the recitation of Sama Veda is quite musical. Our intellect has limited discriminating capacity – it can rank all the transient items that we experience according to our perception at different points of time. Lord Krishna knowing our limitations come down to our level and explains His Vibhuti or Glories' using the language by which we can understand. A good teacher always understands the problems of his students and employ all teaching methods to communicate with the students. It is no surprise that Lord Krishna, the best teacher applied plenty of examples to help us to comprehend the Brahman. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote: > > It is also interesting to note that lord first say vEdAnAm sAma vEdOsmi > ( in vEda-s I am sAma vEda) & subsequently he says bruhatsAmaM tathA sAmnAM > (in sAma vEda I am bruhatsAma)..I am not able to understand why first lord > said I am sAma vEda & then declares that he is only part of that vEda i.e. > bruhatsAma?? what exactly is this bruhatsAma?? can any sAma vEda scholars > clarify this?? > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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