Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Namaste, what is the cause of liberation? if not God.... what is the cause of God? if not liberation.... God Is..... Liberation so...also Is.....all the way long the fact that both cause each all the time.....let the mind have the effect of confusion.....because there is no real (visible) reason (cause)..... mind is mind.... God is God.... liberation is liberation.... few thoughts.... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 advaitin, "dennis_travis33" <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Namaste, > > what is the cause of liberation? > if not God.... > > what is the cause of God? > if not liberation.... Namaste M, This is a case of oranges and apples again. Ultimately there is no God and no modification, nothing to be liberated from. However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'. ............ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Namaste Tony-Ji: That is where I think scriptures come in handy because our sages have dwelled upon this subject extensively. I think yoga vasiShTha it is said j~Naana.m hi parama.m shreyaH kaivalyal.m tena vetalyam || yoga vaa. 2.19.16 || Meaning - Knowledge the ultimate tool for moxa because one can experience the kaivalyabhaava. Therefore sage vaasiShTha recommends to the folks who are trapped in the samraara to become knowledgeable. tato vacmi mahaabaaho yathaa j~naanetaraa yati: | naasti sa.msaarataraNe paashabandhasya cetasaH || yoga vaa. 5.67.2 || Regards, Dr. Yadu advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery> wrote: > advaitin, "dennis_travis33" > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > what is the cause of liberation? > > if not God.... > > > > what is the cause of God? > > if not liberation.... > > Namaste M, > > This is a case of oranges and apples again. Ultimately there is no God > and no modification, nothing to be liberated from. > However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this > is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a > karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'. > ...........ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > Namaste Tony-Ji: > > That is where I think scriptures come in handy because our sages > have dwelled upon this subject extensively. > > I think yoga vasiShTha it is said > > j~Naana.m hi parama.m shreyaH kaivalyal.m tena vetalyam || yoga vaa. > 2.19.16 || > > Meaning - Knowledge the ultimate tool for moxa because one can > experience the kaivalyabhaava. Namaste Dr Yadu-ji, Perhaps this is a traditional view, especially of people such as Vaishnavas, and for them it is the truth. As they regard Krishna or Vishnu as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and regard Advaitins as Mayavids, experiencing the effulgence of Krishna/Vishnu. However it isn't the ultimate truth. That is why I mention apples and oranges. Experiencing Kaivalyabhava is 'experiencing' and one needs a personality and mind for that. Moksha or Moha Kshaya is above mind by definition. So I don't disregard the scriptures, however they are written and interpreted by men, and it is necessary every now and then for incarnations to make course corrections. Personally I read the scriptures and texts but rely a lot on my intuition from meditation to answer my personal questions. There are many paths and only one goal.............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 > > Namaste M, > > This is a case of oranges and apples again. Ultimately there is no God > and no modification, nothing to be liberated from. > However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this > is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a > karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'. > ...........ONS...Tony Namaste Tony, thank you for your words... you write: "Ultimately there is no God > and no modification, nothing to be liberated from." in liberation in fact....maybe there is no God.... i agree with the viewpoint... i expressed this partly with the words that...liberation and God....both are caused by each.....constantly.... one could say so....."everything remain the same".....or in fact....."without modification"... you write: "However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this > is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life.." yes...in reality there is no need for liberation .....because it Is "here and now"....constantly...... i think that the mind can't "catch" this....because of the time and space related attachments.......which cause Karma.....in a time and space limited being. yes, sure.....it is necessary to leave this mind sometimes....by meditation as for example.....to get the intiutions and the answers..... you write: " However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this > is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a > karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'" karmic actions are related to time and space.....of (past) lifes, birth and death.......i agree... the energy of "God" is our real being....real nature.... so....what ever could be done without this energy....?...... i believe it make no change in the use of this energy....in the Being of this energy...... in a mind of an illusory ego-mind...... or in the being of a liberated one.... ....no change of Brahman Regards and Love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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