Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 If you pardon my saying so - the message got all mixed up. Pure love is pure knowledge. All other love is only transactional and therefore falls (as falling in love) in the transactional knowledge category. Epistemologically knowledge cannot be defined either just as love cannot be defined. What is defined is 'knowledge of' - and so is the 'love of'. Scriptures declare 'one loves anything only for ones own sake or for the love of oneself' However, love for his owns self is not for any other sake - it is self-fulfilling love. One loves himself supreme - there is no 'because' for it. When one sees oneself as the self in all - the love for 'all' becomes the love of ones own self and therefore is the supreme and that is the knowledge not of 'of' but of ones own self. Hence when the student asks the teacher 'kasmino bhagavo vijnaate sarvam idam vijnaatam bhavati' Sir Please teach me that knowledge knowing which I know everything - that is the knowledge itself, which is of the nature of pure love. There is no means to know myself since it is not prameyam or object of knowledge. It is aprameyam. Krishna infact says that jnaanam, jyeyam and jnaana gamyam - all dissolve into one that is the abiding knoweldge of oneself. Hari OM! Sadananda --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > Namaste, > > knowledge of "who".....? > > does any real (timeless) knowledge could ever belong to an individual > (mind)....? > > the one who think to have knowledge....is it not a knowledge which is > build up...for a duration of time only....and is "valid" in such time > and space (century, system....)....? > > the knowledge described in certain scriptures, i believe, is timeless > knowledge ....... > > how to know this precious knowledge....if not, by loosing the wrong > identification....? > > how can one loose the wrong identification (illusions)....if not by > the help of an ocean of love.....of our real Being...? > > thank you for some response.....and the detailed messages > of knowledge.... > > thank you for the timeless knowledge in all....which belong to > all......in all...... > > maybe knowledge is "here and now".....one need to discover > it.....with an open heart and mind.... > > Regards and love to all > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 hello I am trying to locate sri aatmachaitanya who had been involved in some very interesting discussions and some of them are available as PDF files in the advaitin website.. can you throw any light on how to contact the person? regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada> wrote: > If you pardon my saying so - the message got all mixed up. > > Pure love is pure knowledge. All other love is only transactional and > therefore falls (as falling in love) in the transactional knowledge > category. > > Epistemologically knowledge cannot be defined either just as love cannot > be defined. What is defined is 'knowledge of' - and so is the 'love of'. > > Scriptures declare 'one loves anything only for ones own sake or for the > love of oneself' > However, love for his owns self is not for any other sake - it is > self-fulfilling love. > One loves himself supreme - there is no 'because' for it. > When one sees oneself as the self in all - the love for 'all' becomes > the love of ones own self and therefore is the supreme and that is the > knowledge not of 'of' but of ones own self. > > Hence when the student asks the teacher 'kasmino bhagavo vijnaate sarvam > idam vijnaatam bhavati' Sir Please teach me that knowledge knowing which > I know everything - that is the knowledge itself, which is of the nature > of pure love. > > There is no means to know myself since it is not prameyam or object of > knowledge. It is aprameyam. Krishna infact says that jnaanam, jyeyam and > jnaana gamyam - all dissolve into one that is the abiding knoweldge of > oneself. > > Hari OM! > Sadananda > > Namaste Sadananda and all, thank you for your response....and the pure knowledge (love) of the Self.... wish peace if my message mixed up.... you write: "Pure love is pure knowledge. All other love is only transactional and > therefore falls (as falling in love) in the transactional knowledge > category." i was writing about this pure love..... sure, there is different kind of "effects"....if the love is not pure....different emotions of the heart....if the love is not pure...... i don't talk about the love.....which create suffering of a heart which "felt in love..." i think that most of members here know in how far pure love....is realy pure..... and in how far.....pure love is pure knowledge.... this pure knowledge (love)....one need to "see" in oneself..... how could one "understand" the meaning of scriptures and the techniques of some Masters...(like the question "who i am?"...) if there is no Self-awareness....(pure knowledge and pure love)..... you write: "Scriptures declare 'one loves anything only for ones own sake or for the > love of oneself' > However, love for his owns self is not for any other sake - it is > self-fulfilling love." > One loves himself supreme - there is no 'because' for it. > When one sees oneself as the self in all - the love for 'all' becomes > the love of ones own self and therefore is the supreme and that is the > knowledge not of 'of' but of ones own self." yes....pure love let one see the self in all..... pure love is maybe most important we got with birth...... this love ....in relation to any occupation in life.....is the "energy" which let one be "detached" from the wrong attachments......on the path like the attachment to the own body mind intellect....which is "nothing" (illusion).....if one compare it.....with the pure love and Self ...."seeing" throught this "nothingness"....is maybe "seeing" the Self......which "appear" in many forms..... a pure heart and pure love is necessary for this.....and the knowledge that This is not of our own.....but of the Self.... timeless ....this days there were much talk about the "cause".... i believe that there is no cause for the Self.....which "appear" in many forms.....and in reality.....this Self cause nothing...... maybe the one who see "changement" in the changless Self......don't see with pure heart and knowledge..... the question about any cause ....is dissolved in timeless (pure) love....and pure knowledge you write: " Krishna infact says that jnaanam, jyeyam and > jnaana gamyam - all dissolve into one that is the abiding knoweldge of > oneself." thank you for sharing this nice words of Krishna..... a pure heart is necessary to "understand" this words... Regards and (pure) love Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Dear Sir, What ,in your opinion ,is the relationship between disposition(svbhavam), knowledge, and love? Thank you. yours bhuvaneswar chilukuri On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 kuntimaddi sadananda wrote : >If you pardon my saying so - the message got all mixed up. > >Pure love is pure knowledge. All other love is only transactional and >therefore falls (as falling in love) in the transactional knowledge >category. > >Epistemologically knowledge cannot be defined either just as love cannot >be defined. What is defined is 'knowledge of' - and so is the 'love of'. > >Scriptures declare 'one loves anything only for ones own sake or for the >love of oneself' >However, love for his owns self is not for any other sake - it is >self-fulfilling love. >One loves himself supreme - there is no 'because' for it. >When one sees oneself as the self in all - the love for 'all' becomes >the love of ones own self and therefore is the supreme and that is the >knowledge not of 'of' but of ones own self. > >Hence when the student asks the teacher 'kasmino bhagavo vijnaate sarvam >idam vijnaatam bhavati' Sir Please teach me that knowledge knowing which >I know everything - that is the knowledge itself, which is of the nature >of pure love. > >There is no means to know myself since it is not prameyam or object of >knowledge. It is aprameyam. Krishna infact says that jnaanam, jyeyam and >jnaana gamyam - all dissolve into one that is the abiding knoweldge of >oneself. > >Hari OM! >Sadananda > > > >--- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > knowledge of "who".....? > > > > does any real (timeless) knowledge could ever belong to an individual > > (mind)....? > > > > the one who think to have knowledge....is it not a knowledge which is > > build up...for a duration of time only....and is "valid" in such time > > and space (century, system....)....? > > > > the knowledge described in certain scriptures, i believe, is timeless > > knowledge ....... > > > > how to know this precious knowledge....if not, by loosing the wrong > > identification....? > > > > how can one loose the wrong identification (illusions)....if not by > > the help of an ocean of love.....of our real Being...? > > > > thank you for some response.....and the detailed messages > > of knowledge.... > > > > thank you for the timeless knowledge in all....which belong to > > all......in all...... > > > > maybe knowledge is "here and now".....one need to discover > > it.....with an open heart and mind.... > > > > Regards and love to all > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. >Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 advaitin, "bhuvan eswar chilukuri" <bhuvaneswarc@r...> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > What ,in your opinion ,is the relationship between disposition (svbhavam), knowledge, and love? > > Thank you. > > yours > bhuvaneswar chilukuri > Namaste, i wanted to express in the message that, in my opinion, it's important to make the difference of knowledge...and knowledge.... the difference of love and....love... and also....the difference between love and knowledge i'm thankfull of the clear message of Sadananda who told that "pure love is pure knowledge" you ask about the relationship between "disposition(svbhavam), knowledge, and love" maybe you could give me some explanations about "svbhavam"...thank you i think that love and knowledge are indead much related....if one is conscious about a spiritual path....means, on the path to ....Self.....Oneness.....means, of Awareness of That. if one talk about the "real nature" of being.....i personally believe that there is this "pure love" existing, timeless......which is like the consistence of whole cosmos.......the energy that one let Be....."whoever and whatever"....in the consciousness of an (illusory) individual mind.... the knowledge is maybe constantly developped.....until the day.....on which it "appear" as "pure".....and so, as "pure love" Itself so...in my "understanding"....knowledge is related to mind....to time and space..... is related to the "communication" between the "appearing" forms...... to the tendency to the "world"....to "outside world"..... love is always "here and now"..... and to Feel liberated.....the knowledge need to be pure.....in "practise" the real Being...."here and now"...... with pure knowledge and love... this are few thoughts.... thank you for "corrections" and i'm sorry if there are mistakes....of mind and knowledge.... trying to don't mixe up the (illusory) minds...... there is nothing but Self Regards and love Marc > On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 kuntimaddi sadananda wrote : > >If you pardon my saying so - the message got all mixed up. > > > >Pure love is pure knowledge. All other love is only transactional and > >therefore falls (as falling in love) in the transactional knowledge > >category. > > > >Epistemologically knowledge cannot be defined either just as love cannot > >be defined. What is defined is 'knowledge of' - and so is the 'love of'. > > > >Scriptures declare 'one loves anything only for ones own sake or for the > >love of oneself' > >However, love for his owns self is not for any other sake - it is > >self-fulfilling love. > >One loves himself supreme - there is no 'because' for it. > >When one sees oneself as the self in all - the love for 'all' becomes > >the love of ones own self and therefore is the supreme and that is the > >knowledge not of 'of' but of ones own self. > > > >Hence when the student asks the teacher 'kasmino bhagavo vijnaate sarvam > >idam vijnaatam bhavati' Sir Please teach me that knowledge knowing which > >I know everything - that is the knowledge itself, which is of the nature > >of pure love. > > > >There is no means to know myself since it is not prameyam or object of > >knowledge. It is aprameyam. Krishna infact says that jnaanam, jyeyam and > >jnaana gamyam - all dissolve into one that is the abiding knoweldge of > >oneself. > > > >Hari OM! > >Sadananda > > > > > > > >--- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > knowledge of "who".....? > > > > > > does any real (timeless) knowledge could ever belong to an individual > > > (mind)....? > > > > > > the one who think to have knowledge....is it not a knowledge which is > > > build up...for a duration of time only....and is "valid" in such time > > > and space (century, system....)....? > > > > > > the knowledge described in certain scriptures, i believe, is timeless > > > knowledge ....... > > > > > > how to know this precious knowledge....if not, by loosing the wrong > > > identification....? > > > > > > how can one loose the wrong identification (illusions)....if not by > > > the help of an ocean of love.....of our real Being...? > > > > > > thank you for some response.....and the detailed messages > > > of knowledge.... > > > > > > thank you for the timeless knowledge in all....which belong to > > > all......in all...... > > > > > > maybe knowledge is "here and now".....one need to discover > > > it.....with an open heart and mind.... > > > > > > Regards and love to all > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > >Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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