KDAS-17 -V iragyam - Dispassion ? or Renunciation ?

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Namaskarams to Shriman Professorji and all the Satsanghis !

 

Let me first thank you and Chitta for acknowldging my presence in

this group. I also thank Sunder-ji for coming up with the correct

answer to the question as to who actually composed 'Ayi Giri

Nandini' - Shri Ramakrishna Kavi. i Thought it was Adi SHankara who

composed this beautiful lyrics all along -The learning never stops.

 

In any case, as member Iswarananda has observed 'Let us enjoy the

beauty and divinity of this great verse and drown in the LOVE of the

divine mother Durga.'Jai MAA!

 

I have been reading your series on Kanchi Acharya's discourse. Very

informative, indeed.

 

Professor-ji, you state in your illuminating essay -

 

*And that is the part Number Two in the four parts of

Saadhana-ChatushhTayaM. That is called *VairaagyaM*

(Dispassion). It is also called *virakti* .*

 

Yes! the correct English translation of Vairagyam is dispassion -

atleast, the most common one.

 

But, my question to You, professor-ji, are 'vairagyam and Virakti'

synonyms? In my limited understanding , Virakti involves also the

concept of 'Renunciation' - is it not? In Vairagyam, you are 'in the

world' but 'not of the world . ' You live like a dewdrop on a lotus

leaf - ( knowing fully well that this whole world is impermanent )

 

The fourth verse in Baja govindam stotra composed by Adi shankara

(????? smile) is ......

 

naliniidalagata jalamatitaralaM

tadvajjiivitamatishayachapalam.h .

viddhi vyaadhyabhimaanagrastaM

lokaM shokahataM cha samastam.h

 

Translation

 

The life of a man is as uncertain as rain drops trembling on a lotus

leaf. Know that the whole world remains a prey to disease, ego and

grief.

 

and therefore we are indirectly advised to give up all

desires . "dukhalayam iti samsaram." ( this world is full of misery)

 

Saints like Swami Vivekananda even go one step further and say " it

is not enough to give up desires but recommend Renunciation. ' ( not

only giving up desires and attachment to desires but Sanyasa)

 

A favorite verse of Swami vivekananda is ( VERSE 31 )From

Bhatruhari's Vairagya Shatakam is this -

 

bhoge rogabhaya.n kule chyutibhaya.n vitta nR^ipaalaadbhayaM

maane dainyabhayaM bale ripubhaya.n ruupe jaraayaa bhayam.h .

shaastre vaadibhaya.n guNe khalabhaya.n kaaye kR^itaantaadbhaya.n

sarva.n vastu bhayaanvitaM bhuvi nR^iNaa.n vairaagyamevaabhayam.h ..

 

There is fear of disease in the enjoyment of sensual pleasures;

in lineage, fear of decline;

in riches, fear of kings;

fear of humiliation in honor;

fear of enemies when in power;

fear of old age in beauty;

in learning, fear of disputants;

in virtue, fear of the wicked;

in body, fear of death.

 

All facets of man's life on earth engender fear; renunciation alone

is fearless.

 

so, my question to professorji is this - while 'dispassion' is

relatively easy to practice for Grihastas , Renunciation is a far

more difficult concept. More so, for women. My gurudeva said "A

woman's duty is always towards her family' and Sanyasa is not

recommended for women. '

 

So can we really equate Dispassion with Renunciation ?

 

Adi Shankara Bhagwan sings thus in 'Nirvana Shatakam'

 

Na Me Dvesha Raagau Na Me Lobha Mohau

Mado Naiva Me Naiva Maatsarya Bhaavah

Na Dharmo Na Chaartho Na Kaamo Na Mokshah

Chidaananda Roopah Shivoham Shivoham

 

 

I have neither hatred nor liking,

I have neither greed nor delusion,

I have indeed neither pride

nor jealousy,

I have no duty (to perform),

nor any wealth (to acquire),

I have no craving (for pleasure),

I am not being bound (for

liberation),

I am of the nature of Pure

Consciousness and Bliss,

I am all Auspiciousness.

 

I am Shiva .

 

Jaya jaya Shankara!

 

Hara Hara Shankara !

 

Salutations to the lotus feet of Kanchi Acharya

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "adi_shakthi16"

<adi_shakthi16> wrote:

>

>

> Professor-ji, you state in your illuminating essay -

>

> *And that is the part Number Two in the four parts of

> Saadhana-ChatushhTayaM. That is called *VairaagyaM*

> (Dispassion). It is also called *virakti* .*

>

> Yes! the correct English translation of Vairagyam is dispassion -

> atleast, the most common one.

>

> But, my question to You, professor-ji, are 'vairagyam and Virakti'

> synonyms? In my limited understanding , Virakti involves also the

> concept of 'Renunciation' - is it not? In Vairagyam, you are 'in

the

> world' but 'not of the world . ' You live like a dewdrop on a

lotus

> leaf - ( knowing fully well that this whole world is impermanent )

>

> The fourth verse in Baja govindam stotra composed by Adi shankara

> (????? smile) is ......

>

> naliniidalagata jalamatitaralaM

> tadvajjiivitamatishayachapalam.h .

> viddhi vyaadhyabhimaanagrastaM

> lokaM shokahataM cha samastam.h

>

> Translation

>

> The life of a man is as uncertain as rain drops trembling on a

lotus

> leaf. Know that the whole world remains a prey to disease, ego and

> grief.

>

> and therefore we are indirectly advised to give up all

> desires . "dukhalayam iti samsaram." ( this world is full of

misery)

>

> Saints like Swami Vivekananda even go one step further and say "

it

> is not enough to give up desires but recommend Renunciation. ' (

not

> only giving up desires and attachment to desires but Sanyasa)

>

> A favorite verse of Swami vivekananda is ( VERSE 31 )From

> Bhatruhari's Vairagya Shatakam is this -

>

> bhoge rogabhaya.n kule chyutibhaya.n vitta nR^ipaalaadbhayaM

> maane dainyabhayaM bale ripubhaya.n ruupe jaraayaa bhayam.h .

> shaastre vaadibhaya.n guNe khalabhaya.n kaaye kR^itaantaadbhaya.n

> sarva.n vastu bhayaanvitaM bhuvi nR^iNaa.n

vairaagyamevaabhayam.h ..

>

> There is fear of disease in the enjoyment of sensual pleasures;

> in lineage, fear of decline;

> in riches, fear of kings;

> fear of humiliation in honor;

> fear of enemies when in power;

> fear of old age in beauty;

> in learning, fear of disputants;

> in virtue, fear of the wicked;

> in body, fear of death.

>

> All facets of man's life on earth engender fear; renunciation

alone

> is fearless.

>

> so, my question to professorji is this - while 'dispassion' is

> relatively easy to practice for Grihastas , Renunciation is a far

> more difficult concept. More so, for women. My gurudeva said "A

> woman's duty is always towards her family' and Sanyasa is not

> recommended for women. '

>

> So can we really equate Dispassion with Renunciation ?

 

Namaste Adi Shakti

 

The Mahaswamigal later makes this clear: that VairAgyam and Virakti

are synonymous. He says that both imply renunciation. Just wait for

a few more posts; you will get the idea!

 

PraNAms to all advaitins.

profvk