For Cotmplation!

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Namaste,

 

 

 

“I wear my wife’s eyeglasses, because she wants me to see things her way”.

 

Very true in vyvahara. We are all wearing eyeglasses of ignorance, and we see

things that way.

 

--------------

 

The above sentence appears at the back of a particular brand of safety matches

(in India). Looks humorous but let us contemplate on the truth conveyed by this

“vakya”.

 

More will come.

 

Hari om

 

Mani

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Mani-Ji:

 

For similar reasons shaakaTayana (one of the contributors in

nirakta) uses an example of the word "satya" and how to understand

it? He recommends to do the vibhakti as "sat + ya" : Where the

first component finds derivation from "asti" and the second

component "aayayati" ruupa derived from "iNa" dhaatu then the

overall definition for satya becomes - santameva aryam aayayati

gamayatiiti satyam . Meaning - One that designates (and helps

understand) the true meaning of the substance.

 

My apologies if I am unnecessarily trying to drag into grammar. But

the take home message is to use correct eyeglasses to see clearly.

 

This can also explain understand why we say "hari OM"

 

pata~njala yogashaastra tell us "tasyavaacakaH prNavaH" Meaning

that OM is the reader or the designator of "that" (the meaning of

that is the real truth).

 

So, when we say "harihi OM tatsat" it means that we (the manifested

OM) are trying to find the true "hari". Here it is important to

understand the meaning of word hari as well.

 

The harivamsha (3.88.44) says - harasi prANino deva tato haririti

smR^itiH |

 

Since "He" takes away the lives of people (at the time of

praLaya), He is called 'Hari'.

 

The complete sentence become - "hariH OM tat sat iti nirdesho" and

this in the reduced form has become the greeting "Hari OM". This

should remind us to be aware of the real truth that everything is

temporary and that hari is going to take away everything, including

your own existence itself.

 

Is it a coincidence that in English also we call the deadly forces

on ocean storms "harricane"? One who is aware of this and takes the

necessary steps for protection from destruction through realization

of that "HARI" gets saved. The one who ignores to recognize this

goes to the abode of "Hari" by becoming one with him.

 

This bring us to the important element of "reorganization of truth"

in advaita.

 

hari OM tat sat

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

 

advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste,

>

>

>

> "I wear my wife's eyeglasses, because she wants me to see things

her way".

>

> Very true in vyvahara. We are all wearing eyeglasses of ignorance,

and we see things that way.

>

> --------------

>

> The above sentence appears at the back of a particular brand of

safety matches (in India). Looks humorous but let us contemplate on

the truth conveyed by this "vakya".

>

> More will come.

>

> Hari om

>

> Mani

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Sri Yaduji.

It is very kind of you to go into deep and give such explanations of meanings of

sanskrit words, and people like me, whose knowledge of sanskrit is almost nil,

look forward to further notes from learned members like you.

By the way, what exactly is the meaning of Atma, i.e. by analyzing the root

etc.?

At your convenience, please do respond.

Hari Om

 

ymoharir <ymoharir wrote:

Namaste Mani-Ji:

 

For similar reasons shaakaTayana (one of the contributors in

nirakta) uses an example of the word "satya" and how to understand

it? He recommends to do the vibhakti as "sat + ya" : Where the

first component finds derivation from "asti" and the second

component "aayayati" ruupa derived from "iNa" dhaatu then the

overall definition for satya becomes - santameva aryam aayayati

gamayatiiti satyam . Meaning - One that designates (and helps

understand) the true meaning of the substance.

 

My apologies if I am unnecessarily trying to drag into grammar. But

the take home message is to use correct eyeglasses to see clearly.

 

This can also explain understand why we say "hari OM"

 

pata~njala yogashaastra tell us "tasyavaacakaH prNavaH" Meaning

that OM is the reader or the designator of "that" (the meaning of

that is the real truth).

 

So, when we say "harihi OM tatsat" it means that we (the manifested

OM) are trying to find the true "hari". Here it is important to

understand the meaning of word hari as well.

 

The harivamsha (3.88.44) says - harasi prANino deva tato haririti

smR^itiH |

 

Since "He" takes away the lives of people (at the time of

praLaya), He is called 'Hari'.

 

The complete sentence become - "hariH OM tat sat iti nirdesho" and

this in the reduced form has become the greeting "Hari OM". This

should remind us to be aware of the real truth that everything is

temporary and that hari is going to take away everything, including

your own existence itself.

 

Is it a coincidence that in English also we call the deadly forces

on ocean storms "harricane"? One who is aware of this and takes the

necessary steps for protection from destruction through realization

of that "HARI" gets saved. The one who ignores to recognize this

goes to the abode of "Hari" by becoming one with him.

 

This bring us to the important element of "reorganization of truth"

in advaita.

 

hari OM tat sat

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

 

advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste,

>

>

>

> "I wear my wife's eyeglasses, because she wants me to see things

her way".

>

> Very true in vyvahara. We are all wearing eyeglasses of ignorance,

and we see things that way.

>

> --------------

>

> The above sentence appears at the back of a particular brand of

safety matches (in India). Looks humorous but let us contemplate on

the truth conveyed by this "vakya".

>

> More will come.

>

> Hari om

>

> Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[advaitin] On Behalf Of R.S.MANI

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:51 PM

advaitin

Re: Re: For Cotmplation!

 

Is it a coincidence that in English also we call the

deadly forces

on ocean storms "harricane"? One who is aware of this

and takes the

necessary steps for protection from destruction through

realization

of that "HARI" gets saved. The one who ignores to

recognize this

goes to the abode of "Hari" by becoming one with him.

*************************************

Is that not the goal of Advaita, to become one with

Hari? I am not a grammarian but perhaps Hari Om Hari

translated into English means Hurry Home to Hari!

 

Harsha

 

 

_____

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namste Harsha-Ji:

 

IMHO - Advaita's goal is to recognize the truth.

 

Once we recognize the real "hari" then we can reconcile the

vyavahaarika world we live in our daily lives.

 

The message I take from my explanation of the meaning

associated "hari" has very important consequences as well.

 

To me this suggests that we should recognize that we have a huge

role to play in the destruction as well and therefore it is our own

duty and responsibility to preserve it before it disappears. (For

Example: Environmental damage (air, water and soil) just to name a

few.)

 

This goes to prove that advaita has very important messages to

vyaharic levels as well.

 

If we regard this hari as being separate from you then you, the

individual is placing the responsibility for solving problems on

some one else.

 

May be for this reason Saint Ramdas says -

 

tasmaat vicaara karaavaa | deva koNa to voLakhaavaa |

Apalaa ApaNa shodha ghyaavaa | a.ntaryaamii.n || daasabodha || 4.9.7

 

Meaning - Think for yourself to determine "Who" is the real "God"

within your own consciousness.

 

If we apply this principle to every vyaraic situation then we can

avoid our own destruction. Therefore, IMHO reorganization

of "hari" is important.

 

Just some thoughts from my rudimentary understanding of advaita !?

 

Ultimately, there is no place like OM

 

hari OM tat sat

 

Dr. Yadu

 

advaitin, "Harsha" wrote:

>

> _____

>

> advaitin

> [advaitin] On Behalf Of R.S.MANI

> Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:51 PM

> advaitin

> Re: Re: For Cotmplation!

>

> Is it a coincidence that in English also we call the

> deadly forces

> on ocean storms "harricane"? One who is aware of this

> and takes the

> necessary steps for protection from destruction through

> realization

> of that "HARI" gets saved. The one who ignores to

> recognize this

> goes to the abode of "Hari" by becoming one with him.

> *************************************

> Is that not the goal of Advaita, to become one with

> Hari? I am not a grammarian but perhaps Hari Om Hari

> translated into English means Hurry Home to Hari!

>

> Harsha

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namste Mani-Ji:

 

Thank you for your kind words.

 

Yaaskaa derives the word aatmaa as follows:

 

aatmaa.atate vapti vaapi vaapta iva syaad yaavad vyaaptibhuuta iti

|| nirukta 3.13.2 ||

 

Meaning – the word AtmA is derived from the root "at" (here the

letter "t" is hala.nta) = satata, continuous, always moving

and/or "ap" = meaning encompass.

 

It being dynamic (gatishiila) it got that `sa.ndnyaa".

 

Acharya gives the following vytpattii –

(I do not remember this specific reference for this if someone knows

this please do let me know.)

 

yaccaapnoti yaddadatte yaccaatti viShayaaniha |

yaccaasya santtato bhaavastasmaadaatmeti kiirtyate ||

 

Menaing – It is known as AtmA because it encompasses the objects and

it enjoys that vastu as well and that is it's property (sadbhaava).

 

In another explanation from advitic point of view –

 

cidruupaH kartutvadirahitaH prasmaadabhinnaH pratyagaatmaa ||

 

Menaing – (pratka) aatmaa is caytanyaruupa, katutva-

bhoktR^itvaadirahita (it is separate from the doer and the enjoyer)

but it is not separate from the parabrahma.

 

hari OM tat sat

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote:

>

> Thank you very much Sri Yaduji.

> It is very kind of you to go into deep and give such explanations

of meanings of sanskrit words, and people like me, whose knowledge

of sanskrit is almost nil, look forward to further notes from

learned members like you.

> By the way, what exactly is the meaning of Atma, i.e. by

analyzing the root etc.?

> At your convenience, please do respond.

> Hari Om

>

>

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote:

>

> Thank you very much Sri Yaduji.

> It is very kind of you to go into deep and give such explanations

of meanings of sanskrit words, and people like me, whose knowledge

of sanskrit is almost nil, look forward to further notes from

learned members like you.

> By the way, what exactly is the meaning of Atma, i.e. by

analyzing the root etc.?

> At your convenience, please do respond.

> Hari Om

 

Namaste, Mani-ji

 

Shankara derives the word 'Atman' from the root which means 'to

obtain', 'to eat/enjoy' , 'to pervade all'.

The relevant shloka is:

yac cApnoti yadAdatte yac cAtti vishhayAn iha /

yac cAsya santato bhAvaH tasmAd atmeti kIrtyate//

meaning,

What obtains, what pervades all, what eats or enjoys all objects

here, and what has the property of existence, that is called Atman.

 

In his Bhashya to I-1-1 of Aitareya Upanishad Shankara writes:

 

"The word AtmA is derived in the sense of comprehending, engulfing

or pervading and by it is signified one that is the highest,

omniscient, omnipotent and devoid of all such worldly attributes as

hunger, by nature eternal, pure, conscious and free; birthless,

undecaying, immortal, deathless, fearless and without a second."

 

PraNAms to all advaitins.

profvk

[Guest guest]

praNAms

Hare Krishna

 

What is Atman/Atma?? mAndUkya shruti says *ayamAtma brahma* Atman is

brahman....again what is this brahman?? again shruti says it is achintyaM,

apramEyaM, agrAhyaM etc. etc. then how can it be known?? shruti provides

answer for that also...that which is unobjectifiable has to be

known/realized only by means of the concept of Atman *yEkAtma pratyaya

sAraM* (mAndUkya shruti) ...shankara elsewhere says only those that follow

the trail of the concept of Atman can know it and not those the pursue the

concepts of *external objects*

 

just few thoughts

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

 

PS : by the way one should not forget another shruti's famous assertion in

chAndOgya * sa Atma tattvamasi*....

[Guest guest]

ymoharir wrote:

>

> Ultimately, there is no place like OM

>

> hari OM tat sat

>

> Dr. Yadu

>

> -

 

Dear Dr. Yaduji,

 

We would all have to agree with that.

 

Om is Home. Home is where the Heart is.

 

Love to all

Harsha