Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Chitta writes : (The answer lies in the Advaita doctrine of words and meanings.) my response : THE word and the meaning are so inseparable that Kalidasa compares them to Sakthi and Siva. "Vaak" or "word" is Sakthi and "Artha" or "meaning" is Siva. They are entwined in a passionate embrace - is how the immortal poet presents the picture. VAAGARTHAVIVA SAMPRAKTAU VAAGARTHA PRSTIPATTAYE JAGATAH PITAHARAU VANDEPARVATI PARAMESHWARAU KALIDASA Says just as a word and meaning are inseperable , the father and Mother of the universe -Parvati and Paramasiva are "one" and worshippable as 'One' ( Kumara sambhavam or raghuvamsha ?) ) adi Sankara, has some advice on thie use of 'words' in "Viveka Choodamani" (The Crest-Jewel of Discrimination): ( I am still connvinced Adi Shankara is the author !! smile) Sloka 60: "Vaagvaikharee, Sabdajharee, Saastra vyakhyana kausalam Vaidushyam, Vidushaam, Tadvad-bhuktaye, Na tu mukataye." < "Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill in expounding the scriptures, and likewise erudition - these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment to the scholar, but are no good for liberation." ("Bhukti" also means the earning of one's bread. Erudition helps in earning one's bread - ) "Loud speech - speech is divided into four kinds according to its degree of sublety. "Vaikhari" is the lowest class1 and represents articulate speech. Hence, dabbling in words is meant. Sloka 62: "Sabba-jaalam Mahaaranyam, Chitta Bhramana Kaarakam, Atah prayatnaa - gjnatavyam, Tattvagjnaa - tattva maatmanaha." "My dear seeker," warns Sankara, "words are hypnosis. Words are a dense forest. Try entering them without adequate preparation and you are sure to lose your way and sanity. If you are serious about learning, do not get lost but seek the guidance of a teacher who is 'aware'." OM SRI GURVE NAMAHA! OM AIM SRI SARASWATHAYE NAMAHA! ( THANK YOU , CHITTA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > > > > THE word and the meaning are so inseparable that > Kalidasa compares them to Sakthi and Siva. "Vaak" or > "word" is Sakthi and "Artha" or "meaning" is Siva. They > are entwined in a passionate embrace - is how the > immortal poet presents the picture. > > VAAGARTHAVIVA SAMPRAKTAU VAAGARTHA PRSTIPATTAYE > JAGATAH PITAHARAU VANDEPARVATI PARAMESHWARAU > > KALIDASA Says just as a word and meaning are inseperable , the father > and Mother of the universe -Parvati and Paramasiva are "one" and > worshippable as 'One' ( Kumara sambhavam or raghuvamsha ?) ) > > Namste Aditi-Ji: This shloka is from raghuvansa - vaagarthaaviva sa.npR^iktau vaagarthapratipattaye | jagataH pitarau vande paarvatiiparameshvarau || raghuvansa 1-1 || ------------------------------ The first shloka from kumarsmabhava is in the appreciation of Himalaya - astyuttarasyaaM dishi devataatmaa | himaalayo naama nagaadhiraajaH || puuravaaparau toyanidhii vagaahya | sthitH pR^itivyaa iava maanada.nDaH || Meaning - Himalaya the nagaadhiraaja in the north is the aatmaa of devaa. It extends from East to West and is the pride (maanadaNDa) of the Earth. Bahagavana shrkR^iNha compares himself with himaalayaa - sthaavaraaNaaM himaayayaH Warm regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > > Namste Aditi-Ji: > > > This shloka is from raghuvansa - > > vaagarthaaviva sa.npR^iktau vaagarthapratipattaye | > jagataH pitarau vande paarvatiiparameshvarau || raghuvansa 1-1 || > > ------------------------------ > > The first shloka from kumarsmabhava is in the appreciation of > Himalaya - > > astyuttarasyaaM dishi devataatmaa | himaalayo naama nagaadhiraajaH || > puuravaaparau toyanidhii vagaahya | sthitH pR^itivyaa iava > maanada.nDaH || > Namaste When two great kAvyas of Kalidasa has been mentioned -- for some reason or other -- I think it is fit to refer to the (only other) third great kAvya of that illustrious poet of Sanskrit: MeghadUtaM (The Cloud-Messenger) which is a love-poem consisting of delightful poetry in the form of a message through the clouds from the lover to the beloved. The first shloka goes: kaschit kAntA viraha-guruNA svAdhikArAt pramattaH shApenAstangamita-mahimA varshha-bhogyeNa bhartuH / yakshhashchakre janaka-tanayA-snAna-puNyodakeshhu snigdhacchAyA-tarushhu vasatiM rAma-giryAshrameshhu // A certain yaksha, who had been negligent in his duties was cursed by his master for a year-long imprisonment, onerous as it separated him from his beloved, lived in the Ashrama amidst the Ramagiri mountains whose waters were blessed by the bathing of the daughter of Janaka and where shady trees grew in profusion . But more relevant to the two earlier mails in this thread by Adi-ji and Yadu-ji, is the folklore story about Kalidasa connecting the three first words of these three kAvyas. It appears Kalidasa was dumb and foolish, when, by a quirk of fate he was married to the scholarly Queen of the land. She discovered his foolishness and with great faith confined him to the temple of Mother Kali, where, by the Grace of the Goddess, he was blessed by Divinity with all poetic talent and speech. When he returned to the Palace, the Queen asked him "asti kashcit vAgarthA?" meaning, 'Is there any meaning of words now?" or in other words asking him whether he has got the power and understanding of speech now. As a token of gratitude to her who helped him thus get the poetic talent, he composed three kAvyas (=epic poems) each beginning with one of the words in her question: "asti kaschit vAgarthA?". Kumara-sambhavaM about which Yadu-ji wrote in the earlier mail, begins with 'asti'. RaghuvamshaM (18 chapters) about which Adiji wrote in the still earlier mail, begins with 'vAgarthA'. MeghadUtaM (100 shlokas) about which I have written above begins with 'kashcit'. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > > advaitin, "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > > > As a token of gratitude to her who helped him thus get the > poetic talent, he composed three kAvyas (=epic poems) each beginning > with one of the words in her question: "asti kaschit vAgarthA?". > > Kumara-sambhavaM about which Yadu-ji wrote in the earlier mail, > begins with 'asti'. > RaghuvamshaM (18 chapters) about which Adiji wrote in the still > earlier mail, begins with 'vAgarthA'. > MeghadUtaM (100 shlokas) about which I have written above begins > with 'kashcit'. > > PraNAms to all advaitins. > profvk > Thank you Prof. Krishnamurthy-Ji: Artha is the essential soul of words that is way Yaaska says - "arthM vaacaH puShpa phalam" Meaning is the fragrance of the fruit of words. I like to compare "meaning" to the "birds" in a cage, where cage is the word itself. Once we the Guru delivers the mantra (a phrase, or word) then it is up to the disciple to copperplate on it (mananaata traayata iti matraH) and free that bird of knowledge from the cage. That is also the reason why SaayaNa calls the brahmins who recite without understand as lifeless pillars, sthaaNu. Warm regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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