Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Dear AdiMa, The meaning of a word exists in the hush of silence. When the speech is loud, the meaning is lost in the noise. I have been noisy. It is time to be silent. Love and regards, Chittaranjan advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > In any case, do we want to get caught in the web of words > (shabda-jaalam) or in the web of arguments and counter > arguments (vada and vivada leading to vithanda vada ? ) > Chitta - my 'son' (sun - Suraj) , smile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 hi my dearest Chitta : When one is silent ( in the stillness of the mind , not so much the tomgue) , The soul sings endlessly - And , Chitta , you have 'music' in your Soul ! i can hear it even in your silence! Your speech is not loud; neither it is noisy! on the contrary, it is eloquent . But once in a while , when the speech involves argumentation - it assumes the form of a 'Chakravyuha' ( like the debate on Taittriya, purusha sukta, upanishads etc) . Nairji called it a 'mesh' in his lovely poem . i call it a 'Chakravyuha' - only because we all like, young Abhimanyu , know how to enter into this 'chakravyuha' ( circular argumentation) but do not have an 'exit' starategy ! We are stuck like a bee to the jar of honey! that's all ! Smile! Adi shankara bhagvadapada says in verse 6 of Sivananda lahari ghaTo vA mR^it piNDo'pyaNurapi dhUmo'gnir-acalaH paTo vA tantur-vA pariharati kiM ghora-shamanaM / vR^ithA kaNTakShobhaM vahasi tarasA tarka-vacasA padAmbhojaM shambhor-bhaja parama-soukhyaM vraja sudhIH // Whether it is the lump of clay (that is the truth) or the mud-pot, or the atomic fragment of it, whether it is the smoke beyond the mountain (that is the reality) or the fire, whether it is the cloth (that is the ultimate) or the threads (of cotton), how does it remove (man's) suffering? You are wasting your throat on such questions of logic, Oh! Man of intellect! Worship the lotus feet of Lord Shambhu and attain the highest bliss! LOVE AND BLESSINGS advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik" <chittaranjan_naik> wrote: > > Dear AdiMa, > > The meaning of a word exists in the hush of silence. > > When the speech is loud, the meaning is lost in the noise. > > I have been noisy. It is time to be silent. > > Love and regards, > Chittaranjan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > > hi my dearest Chitta : > > When one is silent ( in the stillness of the mind , not so much the > tomgue) , The soul sings endlessly - And , Chitta , you have 'music' > in your Soul ! i can hear it even in your silence! > i call it a 'Chakravyuha' - only > because we all like, young Abhimanyu , know how to enter into > this 'chakravyuha' ( circular argumentation) but do not have > an 'exit' starategy ! We are stuck like a bee to the jar of honey! > that's all ! Smile! I must apologize that I have not read the entire thread, but looking at the above statements I'am stimulated to react. There seems to be a contradiction in "hearing silence". The quest is to understand who the "hearer" is. Also, arguments are necessary to correctly understand what Shruti says. If the above is not true, I dont think Shankara would have written elaborate commentaries with a lot of "purva paksha statements" and anwering the same. If I'am totally out of context, please forgive me. Thanks & Regards Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Namaste Sri Parthasarathy: As one of the moderators of this list, let me provide my reaction with respect to 'arguments' and also posts that contain meaningless 'out of context messages.' First, let me thank you for the cautious and at same time insightful observations. I do agree with your observations along with some additional clarifications. The right vedantic approach is to seek answers for questions and/or look for more insightful thoughts to drive out the confusing thoughts from our minds. Any vedantic argument should be necessarily focused on the subject matter and the debater should be fully aware of the limitations of the intellect. The argumenters should practice 'Karma Yoga' and should be happy to accept all outcome without seeking 'a specified answer that floats in their own mind.' We the posters of this list should also make sure that we do not post materials just for the sake of posting and be considerate to our fellow members. The scholarship of any poster or the quality of a list does not depend on the quantity of materials posted and it only depends on the utility to the members of this list. I hope all of us keep this in our mind while sending our posts to the list. Warmest regards and Happy Thanksgiving, Harih Om! Ram Chandran advaitin, "parthasarathy_sastry" <parthasarathy_sastry> wrote: > > > I must apologize that I have not read the entire thread, but looking > at the above statements I'am stimulated to react. There seems to be > a contradiction in "hearing silence". The quest is to understand who > the "hearer" is. > > Also, arguments are necessary to correctly understand what Shruti > says. If the above is not true, I dont think Shankara would have > written elaborate commentaries with a lot of "purva paksha > statements" and anwering the same. > > If I'am totally out of context, please forgive me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Chitta: Between you and me , it is better i go into the 'silent' mode for the simple reason that i am only a 'rasika' and i am not a a jnani - so, let me continue to enjoy the wisdom and beauty of your and other members' posts ! There are too Many threads and TOO MANY sub threads and it would be kind of nice if we could focus on one or two main threads at a time and have sub threads of those two main threads as in the past ! but , i guess my limited intellect cannot handle too many of these esoteric discussions simeltaneously! Smile ! One thing i have noticed in the path of jnana , the ego (of the intellect) does assert itself ! Would you not agree ? Anyway, on this note , i want to take leave ( not quitting) but just be a 'silent' spectator and enjoy the 'lila' of adwaithic vedanta ! Anyway, 'Silence is one of the hardest arguments to refute' A big smile, chitta! with love to one and all Happy Thanksgiving ! Love and (((((((((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) advaitin, "Chittaranjan Naik" <chittaranjan_naik> wrote: > > Dear AdiMa, > > The meaning of a word exists in the hush of silence. > > When the speech is loud, the meaning is lost in the noise. > > I have been noisy. It is time to be silent. > > Love and regards, > Chittaranjan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Dear AdiMa, advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > Chitta: > > Between you and me, it is better i go into the 'silent' > mode for the simple reason that i am only a 'rasika' and > i am not a a jnani - so, let me continue to enjoy the > wisdom and beauty of your and other members' posts ! I think there has been some misunderstanding. I didn't go into silence because of your words. I had already decided to keep quiet for a time, and infact I had communicated my disinclination towards discussion in a previous post addressed to Srivastava-ji... see message #28852 which I shall quote here from: "I am presently not in a mood for discussion, especially of the debating kind, and would rather be a spectator of the delightful posts that keep turning up on this list." I felt I had been speaking more than I should and that a little bit of silence would do me good. :-) Love, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Namaste Chittaranjan-ji! I have to disagree with you once more... You are very active in the forum, but to assume you were noisy one would have to assume that you generated so much noise you heard only your own voice. That's untrue, you were allways listening to everyone elses', and if i may speak for myself i would really love hearing all your replies for anything i may speak... Regards... _____ Acesso Grátis: Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Felipe writes: ( I have to disagree with you once more... You are very active in the forum, but to assume you were noisy one would have to assume that you generated so much noise you heard only your own voice. That's untrue, you > were allways listening to everyone elses', and if i may speak for myself i would really love hearing all your replies for anything i may speak... ) i cannot agree with you More, dear Felipe! He is the real ' Shakti' in this group - He is dynamic and vibrant . ( spanda) You are a musician ! you will understand the metaphor of the reed Flute ! Our Chitta is like the reed 'flute' - it is his soul that sings through his posts! Read this : The Reed Flute's Song by Jalalu'ddin Rumi, excerpted from Coleman Barks' translation in The Essential Rumi Listen to the story told by the reed, of being separated. "Since I was cut from the reedbed, I have made this crying sound. Anyone apart from someone he loves understands what I say. Anyone pulled from a source longs to go back. At any gathering I am there, mingling in the laughing and grieving, a friend to each, but few will hear the secrets hidden within the notes. No ears for that. Body flowing out of spirit, spirit up from body: no concealing that mixing. But it's not given us to see the soul. The reed flute is fire, not wind. Be that empty." Hear the love fire tangled in the reed notes, as bewilderment melts into wine. The reed is a friend to all who want the fabric torn and drawn away. The reed is hurt and salve combining. Intimacy and longing for intimacy, one song. A disastrous surrender and a fine love, together. The one who secretly hears this is senseless. A tongue has one customer, the ear. A sugarcane flute has such effect because it was able to make sugar in the reedbed. The sound it makes is for everyone. Days full of wanting, let them go by without worrying that they do. Stay where you are inside such a pure, hollow note. Every thirst gets satisfied except that of these fish, the mystics, who swim a vast ocean of grace still somehow longing for it! No one lives in that without being nourished every day. But if someone doesn't want to hear the song of the reed flute, it's best to cut conversation short, say good-bye, and leave. ( ( like i did and came back to hear more for how can the beloved and his flute be seperated? ) love and blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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