Saiva Siddhantha metaphysics and Advata

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Dear Friends,

 

There is a beautiful Tamil verse in a treatise composed

by one Arul Nandi Sivachariyar, this being a commentary on the terse work,

"Sivagnana-Bodham", consisting of only twelve verses, authored by Meikandar,

the first saint to bring out the siddhantic philosophy, considered by some

scholars to be a translation of a Sanskrit work known as,"Raurva Agama". This

verse from the elaborate work, "Sivajnana-Siddhiyar" is to the following

effect. Excuse me for the inadequacy of my language in rendering it in English.

" Those who have been vouchsafed the vision of the

Transcendental by the Grace of Siva, see only the Transcendental and not the

phenomenal. The knowledge of the phenomena pushes one into the stream of birth;

such knowledge is ignorance, being a verbal knowledge admitting of the triplet

of knower, knowledge and the known involving the mental modes, being vitiated

by the five states of waking, dream, deep-sleep, turiya, and the Turiyathitha,

the Great Beyond. Since the true knowledge of Grace is the Knowledge of Siva

transcending all these, the jivan-muktas ( this word appears as such in the

Tamil verse) in all their goings-on see only Lord Siva".

Yours Ever in Bhaghavan Ramana

Sankarraman

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

However, it will also be worthy to note that the same Arul Nandi

Sivacharya's disciple Umapati Sivacharya has refuted Advaita Siddhanta

vehemently in his Sankarpa Nirakaranam.

 

Pranamas,

Kathirasan

 

On 11/26/05, Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> There is a beautiful Tamil verse in a treatise

composed by one Arul Nandi Sivachariyar, this being a commentary on the terse

work, "Sivagnana-Bodham", consisting of only twelve verses, authored by

Meikandar, the first saint to bring out the siddhantic philosophy, considered

by some scholars to be a translation of a Sanskrit work known as,"Raurva

Agama". This verse from the elaborate work, "Sivajnana-Siddhiyar" is to the

following effect. Excuse me for the inadequacy of my language in rendering it

in English.

> " Those who have been vouchsafed the vision of the

Transcendental by the Grace of Siva, see only the Transcendental and not the

phenomenal. The knowledge of the phenomena pushes one into the stream of birth;

such knowledge is ignorance, being a verbal knowledge admitting of the triplet

of knower, knowledge and the known involving the mental modes, being vitiated

by the five states of waking, dream, deep-sleep, turiya, and the Turiyathitha,

the Great Beyond. Since the true knowledge of Grace is the Knowledge of Siva

transcending all these, the jivan-muktas ( this word appears as such in the

Tamil verse) in all their goings-on see only Lord Siva".

> Yours Ever in Bhaghavan Ramana

> Sankarraman

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Namaste Kathirasanji.

 

Thanks for your post.

 

In addition, may I also observe that the five 'states' mentioned by

Shri Sankarramanji in his English translation is also alien to

advaita! Besides, the so-called Transcendantal is the 'here and now'

for Advaitins! No wonder therefore that the disciple took the wrong

route.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

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advaitin, K Kathirasan <brahmasatyam@g...>

wrote:

> However, it will also be worthy to note that the same Arul Nandi

> Sivacharya's disciple Umapati Sivacharya has refuted Advaita

Siddhanta

> vehemently in his Sankarpa Nirakaranam.

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> On 11/26/05, Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran> translated:

> " Those who have been vouchsafed the vision of the Transcendental

by the Grace of Siva, see only the Transcendental and not the

phenomenal. The knowledge of the phenomena pushes one into the

stream of birth; such knowledge is ignorance, being a verbal

knowledge admitting of the triplet of knower, knowledge and the

known involving the mental modes, being vitiated by the five states

of waking, dream, deep-sleep, turiya, and the Turiyathitha, the

Great Beyond. Since the true knowledge of Grace is the Knowledge of

Siva transcending all these, the jivan-muktas ( this word appears as

such in the Tamil verse) in all their goings-on see only Lord Siva".